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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Nov 19, 2007 - 04:57pm PT
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"The total lack of understanding of logic displayed by the pro doggos, along with the fact that this is the 9,476th dog thread ans still nothing has been accomplished, brings me to this: "
"HAVIN A DOG IS ILEGAL WELL THIS ONE GUY I SAW WAS SMOKED POT ONCE AND THAT IS ILEGAL TOO SO ITS OK TO HAVE DOG"
hehe :D
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cleo
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Nov 19, 2007 - 05:03pm PT
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GDavis...
sorry for picking on you earlier...
i don't like that dogs would be blamed for losing climbing access... i think if climbing access is lost, it will be climbers who will be at fault, not dogs, though dogs make a visible and easy scapegoat.
maybe crowley will start posting huggy-huggy photos...
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Nov 19, 2007 - 05:12pm PT
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"
maybe crowley will start posting huggy-huggy photos...
Dear God, I hope not! :D
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 19, 2007 - 06:08pm PT
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" The total lack of understanding of logic displayed by the pro doggos,
If the others don't conform to the ideals you mistakenly call "logic" the discussion should be terminated.
You must be a republican."
More logical abuse by a dognut.
I think if you actually KNEW anything about logic, you'd be embarrassed by half of what you post. But you don't, so your precious fallacies are safe in your pea sized brain.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 20, 2007 - 04:12am PT
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"You must have just finished your first introductory philosophy class. Congratulations."
God that's low. IF you are going to be so insulting, and stoop to such crass disgusting comments, I'm not sure what I can do about it.
But just so you know, my degree and post grad work is in MATH you moron, I wish you'd stop confusing logic with the butt plugg sucking crap that you seem to love.
I wonder, can you possibly get your head out of you a$$ without assistance from the jaws of life?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 20, 2007 - 05:49pm PT
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Weschrist and all dog lovers (myself included):
Do you allow your dog to sit and eat with you AT (not under) the dinner table and allow them to eat the same food?
Prolly not, because they would be distracting and piss you off.
That's how the other side feels.
edit: if you DO have them sit and eat burritos (or whatever) with you, then you are out of touch with human reality and need to go live in the wilds with them.
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kev
climber
CA
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Nov 20, 2007 - 06:07pm PT
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At least can we all agree that it's not ok to bring your dog to jtree if your dog smokes pot?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 20, 2007 - 06:11pm PT
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True, Kev, that pothead dog would rather just stay in the car and listen to Pink Floyd.
DOH ! Forgot about the "munchies"--a dog with these would be pretty annoying, I 'spose, hehe.
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drc
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Nov 20, 2007 - 06:18pm PT
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kev,
I think my rents want me to dog sit Styopa over winter holidays. Maybe you can teach him to belay while you're down there this weekend?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 20, 2007 - 06:19pm PT
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Wes, good point.
I don't have a dog, and don't care if they are around when climbing--my regular partner usually brings his 4 malamutes along.
Dogs on a leash in NPs aren't that big of deal to most people either, HOWEVER, it is those people that think that THEIR dog off-leash is fine that are the problems, because nobody can convince to the contrary. Their justifications are inarguable, yet in the eyes of LEOs, they are "offenders". THEY JUST DON'T ACCEPT IT.
I hope that you are not one of "those people" and respect leash laws AT ALL TIMES.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Nov 20, 2007 - 06:52pm PT
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Dogs actually have different dynamics of behavior with each other, depending who's on/off leash. usually the best scenario (between dogs) is when both are off(so long as one or both doesn't have balls, at least).
Teddy does best off leash. He walks very fast and is used to being able to walk in an arcing manner(to scope a broader area as he proceeds). I manage this well, in the city, with a retractable leash, always being aware of people coming up from behind or toward us, and gently guiding him closer to be out of their path. (I do this with all the dogs I walk, actually).
But when I am climbing or belaying, he is tethered. When I am in camp, I have my eye on him. I KNOW where he is, and he knows he's not allowed out of eye range for longer than a few moments. If there are others in camp, he gets one chance to behave, and saty around home base. If he goes towards others, I am watching for their response(Some people will call him over). If there is food out - Teddy's not allowed to go over! He comes back, and goes in the tent.
I see a lot of dog aggression here in the city. Interestingly, not all the dogs I walk tend to get the same treatment. But the ones who aren't subservient types - like terriers - do tend to receive a bigger share of aggressiveness from some people.
There are some people who just can't STAND that a dog is in their vicinity. If one pays attention, they can tell these people by the look on their faces. Wow...the anger.....
They will wait til the last minute, then step into that space between the dog and me, and get all offended, as if I tangled them in the leash! They will put on a look of obliviosness, as they lower their attache, tote bag, sack of groceries.... and attempt to let it hit the dog in the head.
It's very unsettling, watching these people at work. I can only guess they feel very helpless or hindered in some aspect of their life. And they take it out where they can get away with it - on dogs.
Not saying that people pissed about a dog getting into their food are these sorts(I don't like getting "nosed" by dogs, or having a one root around in my gear), but I would hazzard a guess that SOME of those making comments here that seem to go way beyond what a normal person would find ....normal.... are probably suffering from some feeling of powerlessness within an aspect of their lives.
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kev
climber
CA
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Nov 20, 2007 - 06:58pm PT
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drc,
I'd love to teach Styopa to belay over the holidays.
Maybe he'll get along with the rangers as well as we do...
Is he still peeing on crashpads?
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 20, 2007 - 07:13pm PT
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wes,
dogs are not people, nor do they deserve the same rights.
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Nov 20, 2007 - 07:26pm PT
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You guys are right! One of my pups would much rather stay in the car where it's safe...
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Nov 20, 2007 - 07:37pm PT
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I don't really understand why this has turned into such a drama-bomb. For all the crap you guys give we political types for trolling and spraying you sure have drummed up a doozy.
I have two dogs, I love them to death and they are the kind of dogs that everyone wants to steal from me once they meet them. They are smart, obedient and play well with pretty much everyone. I love to take them everywhere I can.
I still won't be taking them to J-Tree or Yosemite. This is not a constitutional issue. It's a simple rule. Don't bring your f*#king dog. When you get caught doing it you make the rest of us look like as#@&%es, just like if climbers thought that leaving giant turds on top of rocks near the Hidden Valley trail makes us all look like as#@&%es. If you DO get caught, make sure you let the ranger know that YOU are the as#@&%e, not the rest of us.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Nov 20, 2007 - 08:40pm PT
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Assaulting a a dog is animal abuse. Not letting them go to certain parts of federally owned land is not. When dogs start paying taxes they can bitch. See what I did there?
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 21, 2007 - 12:42am PT
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How can anyone been involved with climbing for long and NOT see how a dog thread can get out of hand?
ALL DOG THREADS GET OUT OF HAND.
That's like, Newton's 4th law or something.
See, it's sort of this way... F = ma was force equals mass times acceleration, but the FOURTH law says
Fido = Massive Anarchy
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