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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jun 20, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
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k-man, you got that right. Hey, I just scored a pair of Royal Robbins army pants for about $6 dollars at a thrift shop in Washington DC. Whoever owned them before, probably never heard of Yosemite. When it rains, suddenly half the city is wearing north face gear. Meanwhile on Pearl St, thousands of stylish trustafarians compare Christian Griffiths with Paul Pianas. This is where the real money is ... scamming posers!
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jun 20, 2012 - 01:22pm PT
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I still have a pair of first generation Gramicci climbing pants with the cotton/elastic cuffs. They're black. If I lose about fifty pounds they might still fit me. I had a white pair that i mainly wore and would pretend that I was WB when I bouldered in them because that is what hewas wearing when we watched him solo Midterm & Gripper and then ventured off to solo New D, i believe, when we crossed paths with him at Arch Rock one day back in '87 .
edit: come to think of it, that is what PC was wearing(white Gramicci climbing pants)earlier that same day as he passed me on the first pitch of New D.! I don't recall ever pretending that I was PC when I bouldered in them/mine, though. Hmmmn! ;)
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jun 20, 2012 - 02:30pm PT
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If I recall correctly the term "Stonemaster" was already in steady circulation (in Southern California, anyway) in 1973 or 1974, when I was still a totally out-of-the-loop grommet. By early in '76 the San Diego posse came up with "Scumbags" as a direct derivative, self-mocking moniker for our little backwater crew.
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Patrick Oliver
Boulder climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Jun 20, 2012 - 02:42pm PT
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Good point, Jaybro. I do know I was using that phrase "Master of
Rock" well before the book came out. And of course, as always,
we write books before they get around to being published. But I had
never heard "stonemasters" used until that film came out with the
title. I guess I was clueless. Lots of differences in opinion, though,
on dates. Many good voices, though, speak here I would trust. I do
know, however, that it's easy to get dates and times a little mixed
up (I do it all the time)... and it could be in some sense the term
came later but felt like it came sooner. Silly thing to say. It
reminds me of what a biopsychology professor told me once.
I shared with him the story of a
dream I had about a friend dying climbing, and he argued with me
incessantly that it was no vision or dream but rather that the brain
plays tricks and reverses things, that I knew of his death before I
remembered having the dream.... Or in other words, according to
him it was my knowledge of the friend's death that preceded the
dream.... I never agreed with him, but I have
come to realize how easy it is sometimes to get dates a little off.
Here, though, in this instance, it seems so many strong individuals,
Graham, Warbler (Kevin), etc., can't be wrong...
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graham
Social climber
Ventura, California
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Jun 20, 2012 - 02:51pm PT
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Pat,
What Film are you referring to?
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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Jun 20, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
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The second ascent of Valhalla was done during the Spring of my sophomore year at UCR by Jim Hoagland, Dennis Bird, and me. That was in April, 1972.
When I transferred to UCI in September, 1972, and started working at Ski Mart in Newport Beach, Mike Graham was all agog that I had done Valhalla. Not long after, Valhalla was done in rapid succession and Mike, pridefully, made up a book to keep track of the early ascents. This was hung on the over-large piton rack upstairs at the Mart.
One night, in my vanilla apartment in Costa Mesa, Doyne Podorsky coined the term "Stonemasters" for this self-select group. I told Garammich about this, he gave the name currency, drew up a lightning bolt logo, and there it was. People who were there at the time know that the Stonemasters were mostly behind the Orange Curtain at the time, or they were friends/partners of same.
I guarantee that Stonemaster® didn't make it into SoCal climbing parlance until AT LEAST the Summer of 1972, or the early Spring of 1973. (In my ancient climbing resum, I note that I was a founding member of the Stonemasters in 4/73. Could it be that the third and later ascents of Valhalla were done in the Spring of 1973?)
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jun 20, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
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Here's my reworked bid for the Credo Sweepstakes:
Stonemaster's Credo: Low-Slung Jeans and Great Big Dreams ... (SO much to gain and SO little to lose.)
As to common usage of Stonemaster?
I, as an immediate contemporary of BVB, would not achieve access to that aspirational term until 1976/1977, when it was already and clearly in full force, as noted above by Muir.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jun 20, 2012 - 04:54pm PT
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Okay kids: why take the opinion of originals such as Graham or Muir on the genesis of the term "Stonemaster".
Let's do the right thing, the common thing, and go to Wikipedia!
The page "Stonemaster" does not exist. You can ask for it to be created, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered.
For search help, please visit Help:Searching.
• John Long (climber)
Graham as founding members of an elite group known as the "Stonemasters ," who redefined world rock climbing standards and adventuring at large. ...
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• Tobin Sorenson
option com_content&task view&id 20&Itemid 33 A Short History of the Stonemasters, John Long. http://www.alpinist.com/doc/web07f/newswire-...
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• Stoney Point (California)
In the '70s the Stonemasters (a local group of climbers determined to put their own stamp on the sport of rock climbing) also frequented ...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Long_(climber);
A 1974 graduate of Upland High School in Upland, California, Long studied humanities at the University of LaVerne (graduating with departmental honors), Claremont Graduate School and Claremont School of Theology.
Long joined then unknown teenage climbers John Bachar, Rick Accomazzo, Richard Harrison, Tobin Sorenson, Robs Muir, Gib Lewis, Jim Wilson, and Mike Graham as founding members of an elite group known as the "Stonemasters," who redefined world rock climbing standards and adventuring at large.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobin_Sorenson
A contemporary of John Long and John Bachar in a group putting up daring new routes in the Idyllwild, California area they called the "Stone Masters", Sorenson pushed risk standards in rock and alpine realm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoney_Point_(California);
From 1959 to 1995 one of Americas most accomplished climbers Bob Kamps was a regular to be seen on Tuesday and Thursday afternoons.
In the '70s the Stonemasters (a local group of climbers determined to put their own stamp on the sport of rock climbing) also frequented Stoney Point.
Sorry, Robs, there is no immediate attribution for Rubidoux when searching for Stonemaster, or vice versa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Rubidoux
The hill is also a popular place for bouldering, particularly for beginners in the sport.
*Clearly there is work to be done over there at Wikipedia. But it's not a bad start?
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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Jun 20, 2012 - 06:32pm PT
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Roy, I think you're confusing Wikipedia with authority.
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Patrick Oliver
Boulder climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Jun 20, 2012 - 07:00pm PT
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Mike (Graham), I didn't pay much attention to it and never
did watch it, but there was a video (dvd) called Stonemasters, and
someone, probably the filmmaker (who I can't recall) sent it
to me one year... That seemed to have been the
later '70s and was the first
I heard the term.... I spent time with Rick and Bachar and even
a little with Tobin through those 70s but never heard them voice the
term.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jun 20, 2012 - 07:44pm PT
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rmuir wrote:
Roy, I think you're confusing Wkipedia with authority.
ha ha. I was hoping you'd get a chuckle out of that Robs!
I know I did. I just HAD to look though.
Wasn't too far off really (except for the Rubidoux bit, but that was going to be a stretch).
Wikipedia has been getting a lot better and more inclusive in a lot of arenas.
For example: it's spot on for BIOS on champion sports car and Grand Prix racing drivers from the 1970s.
So why not the Stonemasters ...
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