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WandaFuca
Gym climber
San Fernando Lamas
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Oct 17, 2007 - 10:28pm PT
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Did anyone else just get a mental picture of a turd wielding an axe?
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WandaFuca
Gym climber
San Fernando Lamas
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Oct 17, 2007 - 10:34pm PT
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I'm just havin' fun. Why are you here Jody?
agent provocateur wanda
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Tarbuster
climber
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Oct 17, 2007 - 11:20pm PT
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Good question Wanda.
I got no prob with Jody.
We all get something here, I suppose.
Lois wrote:
Can women have charisma in the same sense as men do. I am not meaning good looks, sex-appleal, likeability, being taken seriously, etc. I am referring to true charisma in the sense that people are swayed by (or perhaps enamoured of) the individual far beyond what would otherwise be expected. Jesus, the hellfire and brimstone revivalist minister, Bill Clinton or Rasputin, any of the other dozens of highly charasmatic figures of history (and today even) whose influence and affect on people go far beyond what we would ordinarily expect. Can women have this quality or is it limited to males.
Now, I like that question.
I can’t comment definitively,
But here's an impromptu list I threw together, for you know, consideration:
Madeleine Albright
Indira Gandhi
Margaret Thatcher
Condoleezza Rice
Mother Teresa
Toni Morrison
Joan Baez
Billie Jean King
Annie Lennox
Janis Joplin
Maya Angelou
Lucille Ball
Liz Taylor
Marilyn Monroe
Princess Di
Gertrude Stein
Ella Fitzgerald
Georgia O'Keeffe
Marie Antoinette
Gloria Steinem
Anaïs Nin
Mae West
Judy Dench
Queen Elizabeth I
Cleopatra
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Tarbuster
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Oct 17, 2007 - 11:42pm PT
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That's all pretty clear Lois and your distinction is rather apt.
Per Princess Di, I'd have to say the latter.
Uh, um,
Despite my enthusiasm for the query, I don't have the sagacity to pull this one out.
Jaybro?
L?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 18, 2007 - 11:39am PT
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I have a personal relationship with God through His Son Jesus Christ.
Have you got honesty, Jody? Under what aliases besides Akclimber have you posted on Supertopo?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Oct 18, 2007 - 12:36pm PT
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Lois, Margaret Thatcher I'd say is at the top of the charasmatic women list, way above princess Di. Mother Theresa would fall just below Thatcher, above Di.
Edit: Hey is that Lakewood Chruch? We sell them audio mixing consoles. Churches are some of out bigger customers now. LDS is another huge customer.
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Tarbuster
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Oct 18, 2007 - 12:40pm PT
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...and remember,
Judy Dench played "Q" (or is it "M") in the latest James Bond installment and that's a man's roll.
Not that the old guy who did so many before needed charisma, but she did to pull it off, right?
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Tarbuster
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Oct 18, 2007 - 01:02pm PT
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Hey Jody,
Isn't this your picture, maybe one of your girls?
I got a kick out of this one for sure.
Now, I don't want to lose any street cred here with my “progressive” kinfolk for schmoozing our “opponent”; not that I'm loony, maybe a little liberal, and definitely secular.
I just enjoy a wide variety of players here in the animal house, and even though we get heated up and mean and nasty, a lot of the items discussed here on the forum are pivotal issues of our time, not likely to be resolved anytime soon, and I like to see both sides in all their glory.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Oct 18, 2007 - 01:11pm PT
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Tarbaby, the reason Judy can't be considered charismatic is because she was playing a role. If that was the 'real' Judy, I'd say yeah, maybe. But Thatcher, Mother Theresa, Golda Meir (sp?) were the real deal, doing very difficult jobs and doing them better than most could without sacrificing integrity.
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Tarbuster
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Oct 18, 2007 - 01:16pm PT
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Yes, Yes Blue,
Thanks for bringing her up; she was supposed to be at the top of my list, but I couldn't come up with the name last night.
Golda Meir: "Iron Lady" of Israeli politics.
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Tarbuster
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Oct 18, 2007 - 01:34pm PT
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I knew you'd come through on the female charisma/leadership deal L.
Thanks for pushing that little cart down the road a bit further.
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monolith
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Oct 18, 2007 - 03:09pm PT
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L, do you have any thoughts on Crowleys forum behavior to share with us?
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Tarbuster
climber
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Oct 18, 2007 - 03:12pm PT
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L & LEB:
Lynn Hill would say, “you make your own reality”.
(preconceived ideas dictate our perceptions of reality: then, perception is reality, ergo we create it)
And that's a pretty new-agey phrase bandied about all too easily in my opinion. Not that I don't agree with the initial thrust of it; it's just rather solipsistic in my opinion, because there is always engagement with others and circumstances. The key is, the wholesome approach is, that we control what we can, and we understand that much of our self perception is storied: it is bound and defined by a grand narrative -that of the bigger picture within our own immediate culture.
The parallel really is this whole Jody ruckus: the Cop Conservative Christian thing has a story to it which people buy into, and of course, which is often accurate, but how he confronts that within himself and how he confronts his external adversaries, such as a community, the narrative of this liberal forum: within those activities he has some choice in accepting or refuting either a limited or more expansive role.
I'd gather that women who lead by virtue of charisma, intelligence, and decisiveness understand this.
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Tahoe climber
Trad climber
a dark-green forester out west
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Oct 18, 2007 - 03:19pm PT
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This has got to be one of the strangest threads I've never read.
I read the first couple of posts and the last few, and freely admit I have no idea what's going on.
If I cared more, I'd ask why the drammatic goodbye thread, and wonder just how that evolved into talking about Princess Di. And how Angelina Jolie got thrown in the same category.
My guess is, the thread was LEB'd. I'd also bet that Crowley put in a political pic or link. And that a bunch of other people talked bad about Jody. And that Jennie took up for Jody. And that there was a lot of circular talk about religion and tolerance.
How'd my guesses go? I really haven't read any of the posts between the first and last 5 posts in 188 posts.
If my guesses were right, maybe some of the key players should do some self-awareness work. Just saying.
Bye Jody.
Or hi.
Or whatever.
-A
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L
climber
A chartreuse glider in an azure blue sky...
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Oct 18, 2007 - 04:31pm PT
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L, do you have any thoughts on Crowleys forum behavior to share with us? --Monolith
Mono,
Check your email. I'm a clueless blonde where anything but buying over-priced designer clothing and drinking triple-shot-venti-no-foam-soy-lattes on the patios of chic French LA cafes is concerned.
Not.
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Oct 18, 2007 - 05:47pm PT
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Every time I read the new posts in this thread, its like reading a brand new thread.
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Tarbuster
climber
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Oct 18, 2007 - 05:55pm PT
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Bingo Crowley!
You get the free car, that is, if I hadn't already had a junkyard pick it up.
C’mon Lois,
Who is really going to take up the sword in defense of kids drugging and drinking.
Krishnamurti might have said: “such indulgences prevent flowering”.
Gurdchief: this would constitute “gapping or robotting” and keep one stuck.
I'm not so qualified to comment; as I have neither a college education nor kids.
In the words of Chris Bonnington: “I Chose to Climb” and that'll derail one much more so than weed. Weed is just the window dressing to that errant, unproductive and highly fulfilling path…
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Oct 18, 2007 - 06:03pm PT
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What g.davis said, I'm just checking in and I find it's a new soap opera.
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Tarbuster
climber
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Oct 18, 2007 - 06:08pm PT
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And we are having a great time in here too Jay!
How's the weather?
What color socks are you wearing today?
What's on your climbing list for the Moab sushi fest?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 18, 2007 - 06:14pm PT
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Threads that start out as meaningless are wide-open.
Sounds fair. Crowley's Law.
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