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Keeper of Australia Mt
Trad climber
Whitehorse, Yukon , Canada
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2007 - 02:41am PT
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Word just in that Mountain Equipment Co-op (MEC)- essentially the largest retail distributer of high quality human/eco friendly outdoor gear in Canada will no longer be selling the problematic toxic water bottles. MEC has a Canada-wide chain of stores and they have obviously realized that their avowed
corporate environmental policy was at odds with the continued
selling of these materials. This is a major turn around as reponses to communications from I and others yielded a "circle the bottles" type response. I would expect that we will see Valhalla Pure and Coast Mountains Sports to follow suit in the not too distant future. Consumers do matter and it is good that
MEC is respondent to the wishes of its members - I still have my green paper membership card of some 35 years or so of antiquity. Individuals can make a difference in these and other important issues and we can exert positive influence on manufacturers to produce un-problematic and non-toxic materials.
We the consumers deserve it and mother earth too.
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TheDullEnd
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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I read somewhere that bisphenol A can also be found in canned foods, is this true?
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Tork
climber
Yosemite
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Keeper wrote "We should not accept toxic materials when clearly there are good alternatives".
Sounds good to me. Does that make me a lemming?
My question to Jody and Nefarious is, WHY accept toxic materials when clearly there are good alternatives.
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TradIsGood
Half fast climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Water is toxic, if you drink enough of it.
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Tork
climber
Yosemite
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Water is more toxic if you drink it out of a toxic container.
Why make it worse?
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:32pm PT
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080415.wtoxic15/BNStory/National/home
Canada first to label bisphenol A as officially dangerous
Would pave way for a federal ban
MARTIN MITTELSTAEDT
From Tuesday's Globe and Mail
April 15, 2008 at 2:30 AM EDT
Health Canada is calling bisphenol A a dangerous substance, making it the first regulatory body in the world to reach such a determination and taking the initial step toward measures to control exposures to it.
Although the government won't announce specific bans or restrictions, the designation as dangerous could pave the way for the hormonally active chemical to be listed as toxic under the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, which would allow Health Minister Tony Clement to issue specific measures to curb its use.
Bisphenol A, or BPA, is one of the most widely used synthetic chemicals in modern industry. It is the basic building block for polycarbonate, the see-through, shatter-proof plastic that resembles glass, and is also used to make the epoxy resins lining the insides of most tin cans, along with some dental sealants, sports helmets, and compact discs.
Experts are worried about BPA in food and beverage containers. Products such as CDs aren't considered a problem.
.......The conclusion by Health Canada that BPA is a possible threat, expected to be announced as early as Wednesday, will amount to one of the most important regulatory decisions regarding a single chemical in decades, and will put pressure on its counterparts at both the European Union and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to reconsider their approval......
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 15, 2008 - 01:38pm PT
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They aren't reacting enough.
they should go all out and ban dihydrogen monoxide. One of the most hazardous chemicals on the planet.
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Domingo
Trad climber
El Portal, CA
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Apr 15, 2008 - 01:45pm PT
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opaque ones don't have it.
just use old gatorade bottles, people
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Apr 15, 2008 - 01:57pm PT
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Are they safe for beer?
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binky
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Apr 15, 2008 - 01:57pm PT
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OK,
so the colored nalgene bottles are bad. The old white ones are OK but they do taste worse than the lexan ones. So , what I want to know is, is there an alternative water bottle out there that has such a large opening? It is kinda tough trying to fill your SIGG metal bottle in the tent with hot water and not pour it all over yourself trying to get the water into that tiny little hole!!Same with gatorage bottles and the like. Anyone know of any wide mouth bottles that are safe to use?
cheers
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Apr 15, 2008 - 02:24pm PT
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The High Density Polyethylene (HDPE) bottles are apparently okay. The old white looking ones. Available wide mouthed from Nalgene.
(re-reading your post...this is probably not the "alternative" you're looking for)
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Moof
Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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Apr 15, 2008 - 02:27pm PT
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Next we'll all get silica poisoning from our drinking glasses, and an iron overdose from our silverwere.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Apr 15, 2008 - 02:28pm PT
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I don't "know"... the studies I've read say negative things about Bisphenol A and don't single out HDPE...
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