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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 25, 2009 - 12:13am PT
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I said Chinese when I should of said Eastern Asian, excuse me, jbar.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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Apr 25, 2009 - 12:20am PT
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Once you go Asian, youe never go Caucasin.
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bachar
Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Apr 25, 2009 - 01:17am PT
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White people
Smallpox
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jbar
Social climber
urasymptote
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Apr 25, 2009 - 01:30am PT
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nice.
Conquistadors
small pox
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Apr 25, 2009 - 02:32am PT
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Bluering sperged:
"F*#k you, what is the source of the tuberculosis epidemic in the Bay Area? Chinese immigrants?
You want to paint me as a bigot, whatever, I'm trying to say that we need to control disease flow into this country from 2nd and 3rd world countries that do not control disease and bugs.
Idiot! Keep calling me bigot, whatever...
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I never called you a bigot. You started this with an OP that made generalizations, accusations and a bunch of defensive garbage about being called a racist xenophobe. You basically laid down the tracks for exactly what you got. If you had wanted to have an honest discussion about disease and immigration you would have started a thread as such, but you wanted to have this thread instead and here you are.
Perhaps if you tried talking about facts and information as facts and information instead of framing them as blame and accusation you might find people invited to have an actual discussion. Instead you say things like "F*#k you, what is the source of the tuberculosis epidemic in the Bay Area? Chinese immigrants?" and then are shocked and amazed when people respond defensively.
You know we have a fair bit of TB around Flagstaff but there aren't many (any?) Chinese immigrants. In fact the highest instances are among the most non-immigrant population of them all: Native Americans.
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scooter
climber
fist clamp
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Apr 25, 2009 - 03:11am PT
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By the sounds of it, I bet all of you tape up AND wear knee pads. HaHa.
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SammyLee2
Trad climber
Memphis, TN
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Apr 25, 2009 - 10:07am PT
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Illegal immigration is supported by the money and those who love it more than people. And they don't give a rats ass who gets sick in the process. Also is seems ok to have a sub culture we can look down on and use. If we can't pay a living wage and treat folks in a humane way, don't bring them here. If an orange cost 2 dollars to grow and PICK, then that's the true price of an orange.
I live, to my regret, a nice lifestyle, standing on the backs of the less fortunate. I know that global equality is not going to happen any time soon but we can make a start.
If it seems that we must have labor, then let's pay what it truly costs. Then the labor can afford healthcare, car insurance and taxes.
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AbeFrohman
Trad climber
new york, NY
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Apr 25, 2009 - 10:21am PT
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we slaughtered them fair and square. they could have banded together, but didnt, and lost because of it.
some big changes are coming.
nationalization
pandemic on the horizon
global blackout next?
martial law?
mark of the beast (joking)?
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andy@climbingmoab
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Apr 25, 2009 - 10:40am PT
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You do know its not possible to drive to the US from South America, right? The Darien Gap in Panama is a really effective natural barrier.
I drove to Panama and back in my Tacoma, and no plague followed. Of course, my truck and every other vehicle was sprayed down heavily with disinfectants at every border aside from the US border. America - wake up and follow El Salvador's lead!
I flew back into the US obviously suffering from Malaria once. No plague followed. I supposed I neglected to bring any Anopholes mosquitos with me.
I suppose infectious disease is serious business, but forgive me if i can't get very worked up about 50 out of 30,000,000 people dieing in Mexico City, or 16 out of 300,000,000 people in the US. Its more profitable to be terrified of rabid jackrabbits or bulldozer rampages.
Isn't it exhausting to be so afraid of everything all the time? I'm sitting in the middle of the jungle in west Africa right now, and i'm not worrying about disease nearly as much as you are and my risk factor has to be millions of times higher.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Apr 25, 2009 - 01:03pm PT
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On average 35,000 die in the US of flu. In bad years almost twice that. This strain is particularly worrying because it combines a human, avian, and swine components. It is not to be taken lightly. Although figures vary widely the 1918 epidemic killed more people than WW I and II if I'm not mistaken.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Apr 27, 2009 - 02:27am PT
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hahah granite that was exactly the kind of thing I was talking about (sarcastically) in a previous post. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 27, 2009 - 10:59am PT
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lesson in point, American aboriginal people, pre- and post-Columbian...
perhaps they should have been a bit more picky about letting the Europeans in...
"All men were made brothers. The earth is the mother of all people, and all people should have equal rights upon it. Whenever the white man treats the Indian as they treat each other, then we shall have wars no more. We shall be all alike, brothers of one father and mother, with one sky above us... Then the Great Spirit Chief who rules above will smile upon this land and send rain to wash out the bloody spots made by brothers' hands upon the face of the earth. For this time the Indian race is waiting and praying. I hope no more groans of wounded men and women will ever go to the ear of the Great Spirit Chief above, and that all people may be one people."
Chief Joseph
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salad
climber
Escondido
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Apr 27, 2009 - 11:00am PT
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stoked we booked our 10 year anni in cabo! Awesome!
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bachar
Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Apr 27, 2009 - 11:47am PT
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Ed, thanks for that.
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John Vawter
Social climber
San Diego
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Apr 27, 2009 - 02:05pm PT
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Bluering says: "Here we go again. Uncontrolled immigration from Mexico has given us a new bug that is potentially deadly. A combo of swine/avian/human influenza that has roots in Mexico."
Is there any evidence that the recent cases of swine flu were brought here by "uncontrolled immigration"? It appears from the warnings on the CDC website that it is traceable to people flying here from affected areas. Very few illegal immigrants buy plane tickets because they have to go through customs inspection at the airport.
If you're talking about legal immigrants and other travelers, how do you test every U.S. citizen, lawful permanent resident, visitor and other non-immigrant visa holder who gets on a plane to the U.S.?
(Legal immigrants do have to pass a medical exam before they get their immigrant or non-immigrant visa, but once they have the card they can come and go without an exam.)
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Apr 27, 2009 - 02:20pm PT
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I think it's more like college "Spring Breakers" who will be the major carriers of the bug who went down to Cancun and swapped copious amount of body fluids with each other and maybe with a few natives thrown into the mix..
Edit: I think we should quarentine ALL the high school and college spring breakers for a minimum of 10 days after they return to the US.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jDrS0zyM9U2lh372d7r1FMjLVHrAD97QURG81
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 29, 2009 - 04:04pm PT
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pretty funny old-school commercial.
Did he pass away?
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