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BadInfluence
Mountain climber
Dak side
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May 16, 2007 - 06:38am PT
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JLP it looks more like a improper braze fill than a cold joint. the end of the cable is dirty w/ oxidation and no braze. if the cable was fluxed you wouldn't see oxidation at the cable end and the braze would adhere to the cable from the cleaning of the flux. if your parts are dirty good luck getting a good braze joint
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dirtbagger
Ice climber
Australia
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May 16, 2007 - 07:12am PT
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Steelmnky, awesome T-shirt design! Question due to me living overseas, would you mind if I got a T-shirt made up here locally of your design? Willing to pay some beers in royalties!
cheers
dirtbagger
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honemasterT
Trad climber
Arizona
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May 16, 2007 - 10:35am PT
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These things were handmade back in the day,
in the good ole USofA.
Is this still the case? Mfg. stateside or
outsourced to China?
Wherever it is they need to re-learn how to
solder/braze again!
Scary, need to pull the ones from my rack
and visually inspect them, With all the time
my gear has spent in the upstairs loft closet,
I'd hate to have one of these fail while gathering
dust! DOH! ;-)
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honemasterT
Trad climber
Arizona
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May 16, 2007 - 10:38am PT
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"Fail-iens!"
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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May 16, 2007 - 11:25am PT
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BadInfluence - I agree, there are many things wrong with the picture. The reason I say cold joint is the lack of bonding with the female part, other than just a tiny bit around the opening. This would indicate they got the wire and the braze hot, but not enough heat to get the female part hot as well. Both a lack of flux and a cold female part would cause what you see. Looks like both happened. Obviously really poor work in any case.
JLP
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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May 16, 2007 - 11:27am PT
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Honemaster- That is pretty good too!!!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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May 16, 2007 - 12:19pm PT
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Check your dates, get em tested if they are in the recall area.
For aid and pin scar climbers, it's worth noting one thing. There are two ways cams can fail to hold a fall, by breaking or by simply pulling out.
On the wasteland, if you renounce your Aliens, it's gonna be tough to find something that's gonna stay in some pin scars well enough to even bounce test.
Peace
karl
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WBraun
climber
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May 16, 2007 - 12:22pm PT
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".... it's gonna be tough to find something that's gonna stay in some pin scars well enough to even bounce test."
I have piton, I will smash it in.
What's so tough about that?
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feelio Babar
Trad climber
Sneaking up behind you...
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May 16, 2007 - 12:23pm PT
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my c3's are fittin' great in pinscars! and they even stay together!
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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May 16, 2007 - 01:03pm PT
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HDDJ - honeboy sent me that one this morning. Thought that was a good one. I'm seeing yet another t-shirt, but have to wait 'til later to pull it off.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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May 16, 2007 - 01:15pm PT
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like I needed another reason to lose weight...
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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May 16, 2007 - 05:11pm PT
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Yet another t-shirt...theme courtesy of honemaster-T
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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May 16, 2007 - 05:13pm PT
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Nice! But there's no E in X-treme. ;-)
Are you going to put these babies on cafepress? Strike while the iron's hot!
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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May 16, 2007 - 05:25pm PT
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Melissa edit added above.
(reload the page if you've already seen it as it was).
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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May 16, 2007 - 05:52pm PT
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.... Sigh ....
Just went out and bought all five C-3's.....
This last 5/15 failure was the last straw...
I'll sure miss my little Aliens but this sh#t is absurd. I pull tested all of mine to 1000 pounds but with this last failure at 900 it brings up the point that we really have NO idea just how bad the brazing might be in any of them.
With the dimpled ones I had hope. It was supposedly just the cams they had outsourced and the failed ones seemed to fail at really low forces. Now that's all untrue.
Might fail at 500, 900, 1000, 1200.... hmmmm....
I figure I'm rolling the dice enough 15 feet over my last piece. Might as well have a piece in that isn't known to blow apart occasionally.
RIP my little Aluminum friends.....
-Fear
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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May 16, 2007 - 06:16pm PT
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Okay, one last one then I'm hanging it up...
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WBraun
climber
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May 16, 2007 - 06:18pm PT
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My dear Mr. Steelman
The last one above is the finest. My worthless opinion to you.
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Knob Central
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May 16, 2007 - 06:28pm PT
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Vision! I just love the 'Screwed' part.
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Pastrami
Trad climber
Somewhere on this Planet
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May 16, 2007 - 06:30pm PT
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I have 16 aliens, regular and offset. I sent 13 of them in for testing last year (they were somewhat around the recall window, some in, some out by 1/2 year), and I got them back in ~10 days, all having the tensile-tested mark. I just sent in the other 3 (which are from 2002), just for peace of mind. I know I fell on some, but cannot recall which, so I sent the whole bunch. CCH fixed at no cost (besides shipping) 2 pieces some years back. So they are responsive to customers IMO. The product has fantastic design, but I have to admit that the execution of that design could improve on many fronts, like materials they use, manufacturing process, etc, without screwing the design...
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