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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area
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Mar 30, 2007 - 07:57pm PT
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There was some thing about the movie blade runner. I loved the music, so right after I watched it; I went on and downloaded the full soundtrack for free off Napster.
Now if you carefully listen to soundtrack and before you hear “All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain . .
You will hear “I see things ……
Now I have to go back and listen to it again to be certain but it was like, it says that I see thing like you never seen before…..
I felt like this movie or that part of the movie was given a code from the future, some thing out of time and I guess the whole movie was about that last part before you hear “All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain .
Listen to that part again John, if you do not have it, I can send it to you in MP3 via email
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Brian
climber
Cali
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Mar 30, 2007 - 08:03pm PT
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Roy: "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the darkness at Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain. Time to die."
Brian
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 30, 2007 - 08:05pm PT
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Way cool Majid S,
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"I felt like this movie or that part of movie was given a code from the future"
for me the metaphor in Bladerunner is that we ARE Pris and Roy, that we (humanity) are forever outraged at nature for giving us this (life) with the ability to know it will end, and that many of the ills that plague humanity are due to our collective inability to grasp and deal with this cruel reality, - our decline into old age and death.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Mar 30, 2007 - 08:25pm PT
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Talking about climbing . . .
You know Decker did some pretty amazing "Buildering," and all with a broken trigger finger. Damn, that guy is hard-core.
And Roy was pretty buff wearing lycra like shorts if you ask me. I can only pick-up my son who is 4, the way Roy picked up Decker.
I don't know, but everything about the film is memorable. One in a million if you ask me. And just to think we are going to get another version . . . amazing.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area
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Mar 30, 2007 - 08:29pm PT
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Raydog
" I see things"
I guess, it ment, that I came from the end and I know what is happening over there and why are you doing this now here when you know the end. Anyway,I still think, the whole movie was about "like tears in rain"
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L
climber
The Rebel L Gang
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Mar 30, 2007 - 08:37pm PT
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JL, Raydog--Absolutely in agreement with you there.
If you look at all our greatest conflicts--both internal and external--they could all be boiled down to this: Why?
Why this life? Why this time? Why this place? It all comes down to why are we here? And everyone asks it at some point or another--the great mystery of life. Not necessarily what is life--but why?
Religion corrals people with the answer: Basically, God got bored being all alone.
Science anulls people with the answer: All an accident of chemical compounds and electricity.
Psychology and Philosophy: Naw, no help there.
But Art, art let's us find our own answers. Look at where we've all gone with Blade Runner! A great movie, a great book, a great work of art...that's where we find why.
Be it metaphor or mirror, art allows us to know ourselves, and in the knowing, answer why.
Then again, maybe it's just Entertainment and it keeps all of us from obsessing about stupid, unanswerable questions...
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 30, 2007 - 08:45pm PT
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Hmmm, Did Long just say that life is a giant fast food burger?
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L
climber
The Rebel L Gang
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Mar 30, 2007 - 08:46pm PT
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I think he might have...
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 30, 2007 - 08:55pm PT
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JL wrote:
" Out task on this earth is to resolve this basic fact within ourselves. Paradoxically, I believe we have to transcend ourselves to ever make any progress on this whopper.
JL"
Yep, that's what he said. OR maybe he meant, THE WORLD is a giant fast food burger. Better than an oyster, I guess.
At any rate, from now on, I will hold Burger King in a higher regard.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Mar 30, 2007 - 10:16pm PT
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Great thread John,
Pretty much my all time favorite scene and quote, "tears in rain".
My parents and I watched the original, voice over, Blade Runner every Christmas for about 10-15 years. When I finaly got around to viewing the director’s cut, I felt that version wrecked it, diluted the viewers connection to the story, and stole the magic.
For me the potent emotional/intellectual response I get from the “tears in rain” sentiment is that of precious impermanence. So life's riddle as embedded in the theme isn’t at the outset as much a question of why, but of what, and that what is the sweetness of now, now, now, …then gone. And the notion of impermanence is a big driver in the theme, as it is for us as sentient beings. The voice over allows us to share and externalize our own ruminations and apprehensions along with Decker.
The aspect of life’s impermanence, especially when wrought upon a stark and intriguing back drop of sci-fi, brings into brilliant focus the tangible aspects of existence, but also a question of its reality arises and the replicant experience underscores that big enigma. What is real? How real is this whole gig when it seen as an impermanence? Are we all a bit of an illusion? What will we do with our time and for how long?
I find the why is introduced as love. I agree that some movies are trivialized by happy endings, but not this one. I felt the same way about the various endings of “Brazil”. With both Brazil & Blade Runner, you have this compelling but desperately bleak and oppressive theme noir running through your bloodstream, then a bit of light at the end is a liberating feeling. In both cases it involves a fruitful quest for the most potent of fleeting experience: love, which only briefly prevails upon the expansive blackness.
Cheers,
Roy
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Mar 30, 2007 - 10:54pm PT
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One xmas day my family (my mom, Bro's, sis in law, teenaged neice and Neph, my then new GF, Included) watched 'Orgasmo', no shit!
Lots of laughs, and bonding, but we have not continued the tradition.
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Brian
climber
Cali
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Mar 30, 2007 - 10:58pm PT
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Nice points Roy. I agree, by the way, that Blade Runner was not ruined by the ending the way I feel Shawshank was. After I dropped out of school (the first time), I moved to Japan. There are a whole series of meditations, poems, etc. that I fell in love with. The whole point of the Japanese admiration of the cherry blossom is the combination of beauty and impermanence. When the cherry blossoms bloom, the whole countryside goes off in a spectacular display; however, the first really stiff breeze that comes along strips away the flowers. Life is like these blossoms--at once incredibly beautiful and terribly fragile.
I also think John is onto something with respect to the transcendent (dare I say redemptive) power of art and beauty. It is true that I can look into the darkness of the night and my rationality can suggest that it, all of it, is just a cosmic accident of matter and motion, which is ultimately meaningless. However, it is also true that I can look into the same night sky and find myself overwhelmed with the majesty and beauty in a way that causes me to feel (rather than think) that something bigger is at work. We don't have to turn this into a thread about spirituality verus religion--Roy's comments about "love" and John's comments about "transcending" oneself are right on the mark.
I suspect I am not the only one here to literally shed a tear at the beauty--the incredible, magical beauty--of an alpinglow sunset. Or the only one to howl (barbarian yawp anyone?) across a valley at the moon. One of the many things I love about climbing is that it puts me in touch with these experiences. I remember one of my old partners, who is not the most spiritual or introspective person, walking back out of the Sierras as the sun set one summer evening. "Brian," he said, "we are so lucky to be here. We are so privledged to be climbers." No shit; true story... and he was right.
Brian
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Mar 30, 2007 - 11:10pm PT
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Interesting discussion...
Another movie quote that I always thought was pretty good came from the movie Star Trek:Generations (I think - the one with Malcom McDowell in it). In the movie he says:
"Time is the fire in which we all burn."
That always struck me as kind of a cool statement.
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 30, 2007 - 11:32pm PT
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Roy, I think "love" is not so much the answer but the entire thing.Of course I don't mean rub-a-dub love (no harm there) or co-dependent love, but the divine article. I can't honestly say I know what that is quite yet, but my life seems to be driving toward finding out, somehow, someway, and I'm not finding the process to be particularly easy at this stage. There's so much inauthenticity to work through, it baffles and stuns me. But so it goes, I suspect for a lot of us.
From the level of the ego, I'm almost certain that basic human impermanance can never be integrated or mataboloized. You have to find that which is unborn and unchanging, and the tough part of that (unless I have this all wrong) is that you have to go through the impermanance to ever find the "other," which doesn't so much answer Roy Batty's questions as make it immaterial.
If there's some way to get there without staring down your own fear of death, or dealig with it in some way, I don't know how. And yet the fear of death, or any fear for that matter, can become a fixation and block us seeing part it.
Someone mentioned art as being a portal into the divine, and I agree. But I think the biggest portal of all is our very own being, as in human being. The problem is that to really settle into that being a lot of us have to work through a surface layer of chaos that is frightning and horrific.
It's 5.12 all the way but it's the only route worth the effort in the end.
JL
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 30, 2007 - 11:37pm PT
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RE:
"Someone mentioned art as being a portal into the divine, and I agree."
a portal into the subconscious as well hence the importance of surrealism in psychology etc.
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Mimi
climber
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Mar 30, 2007 - 11:47pm PT
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Never considered Deckard to be a replicant based on his intro in the movie. And I always thought the unicorn at the end represented Rachael; being 'the last one' and on the edge of extinction as it were.
Such a nice discussion here. Climbing brings us closer to the meaning of life so it's no surprise that so many of us would really enjoy this movie/book.
Interesting trivia from above too and it's interesting that the original version is not easy to find. I liked the original version with Dekard's VO and the ending. Here's a review by a fan with some more fun facts:
I think the only DVD that is released in the US is the director's cut...
Did you see the original version? It sucks. The studio said the film had too much silence in it, and they forced Harrison Ford to do the voice-over narration (against R. Scott's wishes). Ford did a shitty job on the voice-over INTENTIONALLY so the studio would be forced not to use it. The studio used the narration anyway. Other than that there is not too much difference between the film versions. This is the reason you do not see the version you are looking for (original). It is a substandard version of the film...
I believe that the theatrical version is available on laserdisc and/or VHS, so if you are desperate you could track one of these down and rip it (if you want to watch it in your home-theater). I think you are wasting your time-watch the director's cut again instead-there is alot of good stuff in there (it also shows off some bitchin' architecture in Los Angeles that many people-including Angelenos-don't know even exists)...
Edit: Went back to that fan site and apparently the LA city scenes are not different.
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L
climber
The Rebel L Gang
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Mar 30, 2007 - 11:58pm PT
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Just watched the Director's Cut--haven't seen it in a couple of years. Yep, many subtle hints that Deckard might be a replicant. Finally saw the correlation between the dream unicorn and the origami, too--although Olmos' VO really distracts from it.
And then there's all his photos on his piano...and you see throughout the movie how precious photos are to the reps.
Wow...it was like watching a whole new movie. And Roy's death scene...even more amazing.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 30, 2007 - 11:58pm PT
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more images
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder
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Mar 31, 2007 - 12:04am PT
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one more
Rachael
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Mar 31, 2007 - 12:19am PT
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This thread has grown so quickly my head is spun; not sure if anybody referenced this bit, but there is a very poignant transcendence which occurs when Roy saves Deckard and Deckard’s voice over says something like, to roughly paraphrase: “maybe after struggling to save his own life, life suddenly had more value, not just his life, but anybody’s life.”
Who was it; Machiavelli perhaps wrote “the bond of enemies is sometimes greater than that of friendship”. That bond in some sense appears to be the portal to the final transcendence which Roy achieves when he decides to save not his own life, which is after all fading in the moment, and he turns 180 to save the life of the closest other, which perhaps not so ironically is the life of his opponent.
Your opponent is your teacher, as is adversity; both worth honoring, much in the way we honor the mountain for its intrinsic opportunity to a glimpse at transcendence.
Some rich stuff woven in to this flick.
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