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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 14, 2019 - 08:31am PT
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All the wine is gone, will be sending it out next week.
That’s quite the classic oxymoron! I missed what led up to this so maybe you’re sending out cases of Conundrum wine?
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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May 14, 2019 - 09:47am PT
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Good point Reilly! Was about an earlier offer of free wine to the first five responders; too late sir, too late!
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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May 14, 2019 - 11:08am PT
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The Supertopo Forum has been a literary treasure.
In ages past letters or articles from notable mountaineers are considered treasures.
Here within these electronic pages have been laid down some of the finest climbing liturature ever presented. It is possible that a book could be published if someone knowledgble enough to edit it had the time.
From quips and tips, to insights into souls, to confessions, explanations, there are jewels here.
The beauty of it is immense. The fact that anyone could log on and interact and contribute is an advance of civilization beyond compare.
On several occasions the main stream press has come here for news bits. It is still the most authoritative of forums. Had it not been under the custody of Chris MacNamara it would not be as good.
Perhaps it could be backed up and archived at the AAC Museum of Climbing and at the Yosemite Climbing Museum.
Future authors would find the content here invaluable.
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wbw
Trad climber
'cross the great divide
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May 14, 2019 - 11:16am PT
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If this is the beginning of the end, thanks Chris for providing such a great resource to us. This forum has truly brought out the best in our community, but unfortunately the worst at times. I think any reasonable person would understand that that is on us, not you.
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Bobbleseth
Trad climber
Utah
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May 14, 2019 - 11:18am PT
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Thanks to everyone that has contributed to this community, even the politards, you all have taught me way more than f*#k heads over at mountain projects.
News flash!
Many of the fuk heads here, are the same fuk heads over on Mt Proj
GUD news is...
a fuk head is a fuk head is a fuk head...
So you're good ta go!!!...
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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May 14, 2019 - 01:23pm PT
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Difference being...you get to see this on MP:
This post violated Guideline #1 and has been removed.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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May 14, 2019 - 04:23pm PT
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I like the Prezwoodz perspective.
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Don Paul
Social climber
Washington DC
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May 14, 2019 - 04:56pm PT
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The beauty of it is immense. The fact that anyone could log on and interact and contribute is an advance of civilization beyond compare.
It's in a raw state, though, with copyrighted info having to be purged, and some threads are the equivalent of UFC fights. Some is climbing related, and some is not. I'm not sure it could be edited into a single book. A list of all the thread topics would probably be the size of a book. I like the idea of turning it over to a historical mountaineering organization for preservation, but what does this mean, freezing it so it can no longer be changed? Ideally someone would volunteer to host it, and take on the responsibility to pay for it to be on a server somewhere.
It does have historical value, but I think you lose most of the value if you can't interact with it. Supertopo is really well indexed by google already. If I look up some mountain or climb on google, invariably google hits on a supertopo thread. So ideally they would stay where they are (in the supertopo.com) and stay modifiable, but a person with a long time commitment like Chris MacNamara would have to take on the job. If you want to read backups of supertopo you can do that anytime on the wayback machine.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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May 14, 2019 - 04:59pm PT
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I'd pay $20 or so a year. And I appreciate the effort that this forum has taken to operate. Thank you.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
Technically...the spawning grounds of Yosemite
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May 14, 2019 - 05:11pm PT
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Chris, had you never hosted this forum, and had so many contributors not invested so much time and heart to preserve some of the best storytelling on climbing history that exists anywhere...I wouldn't know who I am or from whence I came.
I never would have fallen in love with climbing (nor have become obsessed with climbing gear).
I probably never would have climbed in Yosemite, Joshua Tree, the Gunks, Quincy Quarries, Seneca Rocks, Camden Cliffs or the Cascades. I wouldn't be dreaming about trips to Alaska, Germany, Switzerland, Canada and about a dozen other places.
Folks that knew and loved Dolt would never have known that his story continues, nor would they have had the chance to heal...in however small of a way.
I never would have met my second cousins through Dolt in Germany last summer.
I never would have met my birth mom's siblings.
I never would have met tens of friends of Dolt, or my birth mom, Ann, nor learned about who they were and how very much I resemble them both.
I never would have met hundreds of other climbers through this forum and elsewhere be it through climbing or volunteering.
I never would have volunteered with City Kids Wilderness Project nor the AAC in memory of my birth parents.
I wouldn't have genuine Mark Hudon Nose Route topos hanging in my bedroom and office.
I wouldn't have been blessed by the gifts of time and friendship generously bestowed by so many climbers on this forum...the list is long. The circle of folks who have selflessly shared with me precious Dolt gear is nothing short of amazing.
Were it not for all of this, I probably would have just accepted the diagnosis of fibro back in 2011, and wouldn't be currently fighting like Hell to beat late stage Lyme & babesia (the correct diagnosis) so that I can get back to my climbing community and just spend as many days as is possible of those I have left climbing my heart out.
As an attorney, I understand the burdens of monitoring, compliance and, unfortunately, litigation. (Though I am not a litigator - just a geeky technology lawyer.)
This forum is made of, and has done, SO MUCH GOOD. Please don't ever forget that.
Respectfully and gratefully,
Lilabiene
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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May 14, 2019 - 05:33pm PT
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ST is incredibly important site on the internet for the climbing based community and all of the history that has been shared here and retold over the years. And all of the trip reports shared. So much of these personal stories are not available anywhere else. The value of "the ST virtual climbers' campfire" is immeasurably.
I'm not on FB, Twitter, or really any other social media. ST has been it primarily. I'm a climber and I like the climbing community.
ST has been wonderful over the years and even when we argue and don't agree I've learned incredible lessons here and met incredible people at least through our words spoken together. I've always tried to do threads of interest (even if they are waaaaayy out there and sometimes OT) with great links so that it can be useful to learn more, hoping that I could always return to the threads to read through them again or to add more in the future.
I've been able to at least talk with very notable climbers in the community that we all admire, and that has been golden cherished memories for me.
One of the last threads, if not the last thread that John Bachar had started and posted to, regarding what we as a nation have done to the native north Americans was done here on ST. It was the last words he would say on ST and then he was gone. I'm glad that I was able to have shared a few words for a moment here at ST with Bachar.
Get togethers have been organized here through ST. The Mt. Woodson Shindig was awesome fun. Learned so much about the Poway Mountain Boys here on ST and Mt. Woodson history (my climbing backyard) that I have read no where else, as well as the history of the more famous Stonemasters and the many connections between the two over the years.
Even if I'm considered the "Tin Foil Hat Crazy Man of ST," we have had great deep discussions and that has been wonderful.
ST should be saved and archived with a searchable database. I would be willing to contribute a fee per year to keep it going. It's just too valuable to let it go. I don't want to see it go. Don't do it. Don't pull the plug Chris ...
As in one of the most famous scenes in cinema history it was said ...
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die."
I hope that the management of ST can see the incredible value of the Forum and do the right thing and save it. Don't let it go. Save it. Let us know how we can help to do so.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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May 14, 2019 - 05:56pm PT
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I never would have met biter old man and Bobbleseth....
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hellroaring
Trad climber
San Francisco
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May 14, 2019 - 05:56pm PT
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Hope it somehow keeps going. If it doesn’t I really am going to miss you all even if I only knew most of you in the cyber world. The amount of good advice gleaned from here is invaluable...and then there are the stories!! Rock on, climb hard, love life. Peace out all...
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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May 14, 2019 - 06:31pm PT
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Checking in twice (or more) daily with the Forum is a habit as ingrained as brushing my teeth after meals. There was so much written, and written well, that was entertaining, but beyond that, often emotionally moving. So many laugh-out-loud posts. So many distinct voices. So many colorful personalities.
Anything I needed to know that I couldn't figure out elsewhere, I knew I could come here and ask and someone would give me some advice. Useful pieces of information - the best protein powder, the little holes on the sides of the saran wrap box that I never knew were there...
Over the years I have forged real life connections with so many people that I "met" here, but as I read through these posts, I realize there are so many of you that I only know within the confines of this space. I will miss you all (well most of you, not the jerks), if that ends. I'll miss sharing my museum visits with the other art lovers on the Art Thread With Images. (Justin, who started that thread, left the Forum long ago.) I'll miss seeing what people are building on Show Me What You're Building. (Survival, who started that thread, likewise departed.)
I'll enjoy it while it lasts.
And yes, I would make a donation for expenses, if that opportunity is presented to us.
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sawdust
climber
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May 14, 2019 - 07:12pm PT
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Perhaps someone or some group of people could purchase the forum from Chris? I've seen this happen on other forums, there is no particular reason the forum has to go away or even change. Except, of course, the new owners would have to be willing to put in time and money like Chris has.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 14, 2019 - 07:18pm PT
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Does anyone here have the slightest idea what the financial metrics are for ST?
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mastadon
Trad climber
crack addict
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May 14, 2019 - 07:38pm PT
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Garrick wouldn’t have gotten his wedding ring back. THAT would be sad...
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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May 14, 2019 - 07:57pm PT
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I just don’t see this going anywhere unless CMac and RJ purposely destroy it. I personally would buy it before it was destroyed, I’m sure many others are ahead of me.
The crux IMO, and far more important than the money, is finding someone with at least the technical savy of RJ - willing to work for free. All forums I’ve seen have at the core a hard working and tech smart guy as the owner. I don’t see a guy like RJ handing his baby over to anyone less capable than himself.
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