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dirtbag
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It will be up to Roberts to restore the legitimacy and prestige of the court. Another series of 5-4 sweeping decisions on hot button issues may permanently destroy the court’s reputation.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Ironic that I find myself seeking confidence in the decisions of John Roberts...at this point, he seems like an absolute moderate.
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fear
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hartford, ct
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....Kavanaugh is a psychopath....
Lol.... And Trump eats babies and is a Nazi? Just trying to keep track.
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Trump
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what have you gained by Kavanaugh's appointment to the U.S. Supreme Court (other than gaining something that the Dems opposed)?
The only thing that we can imagine conservative minded people get by appointing a conservative to the court is relative to us - what they get is that we don’t get what we want?
It might not be all about us - they might actually want more conservative rulings from the court for themselves, or some kind of crazy thing like that. They might not have wanted to delay by dumping this guy and starting all over, and then be up against democrats electing a democrat majority to stonewall their new pick until we can re-elect a Democrat, the way they did with ours. They might actually be operating proactively in order to get what they want, rather than just be trying to tweak us and deny us what we want.
And they did - they elected a Republican President, and a Republican Senate, and a Republican House, and they got this conservative justice on the court, and they tipped the balance of the court for many years to come.
We maybe should do the same, without needing to project our own anti-Republican tribal thinking on them.
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Fat Dad
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Los Angeles, CA
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^^^
Trump doesn't disappoint. A response that provides no response. Next?
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Trump
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You’re looking for an answer to what future rulings the court is going to make that are going to be things that conservatives got out of appointing Kavanaugh to the court? And in the face of no answer to that question (yet), you’ve concluded that there isn’t going to be an answer, and that they just did it to tweak us?
Alrighty then. Hard to argue with that. Prolly time for you to declare victory. Congrats.
Unfortunately, even after your victory, we’re still left with a Republican President, a Republican Senate, a Republican House, and a conservative Supreme Court expected to be making conservative judicial decisions for some time to come. I’m hoping we can work towards different kinds of victories, but in order to do so, we might need to be a little less tribal in the ways we think.
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apogee
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If I put myself into the shoes of a thinking Republican, my answer to that question would be that we have a justice who has a record of supporting corporate interests, the role of executive power, and my gut feeling is that he'll come down against Roe v. Wade (or similar cases), and affirmative action.
If one delves past all of the 'us vs. them' in this issue, and just looks at what he'll mean to the SCOTUS, that's pretty much what Kavanaugh will likely be to conservatives.
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I would hope that this kind of summation would be speaking the obvious to a reasonably thinking Republican, but that's not necessarily a valid assumption. The 'our side won' attitude is much more prevalent (on both sides, to be fair), without clear understanding of the true implications of the issue.
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Fat Dad
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Los Angeles, CA
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answer to the dumb question:
they got the judge they wanted Dumb answer to a good question. This was SO important to the right. We can see why the Republican legislators would tout this as an accomplishment, particularly since they've done very little. But my question is why Republican voters think this is a victory for them? According to folks like Edward T, it is. However, the details of why are lacking.
Like apogee said, one argument could be the hope that he helps to overturn Roe v. Wade but, apart from that, I don't get how Joe Republican thinks this will be good for him apart from the 'my side won' argument.
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Trump
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Slavery was abolished 150 years ago, but median white household wealth is still 13 times median black household wealth, and isn’t changing towards a more equitable situation. Sustainable? Hard to say, but it’s lasted this long.
In the Gallup poll from August 1, the US electorate was 28% Republicans, 27% Democrats, and 43% Independents. The plurality of voters are Independents. From a perspective of Party affiliate versus Independent, the split is 55% partisan party affiliate, 43% Independent.
But the Senate is 51% Republicans, 47% Democrats, and 2% Independents, and the House is 55% Republicans, 45% Democrats and 0% Independent.
What happened to all the Independents in our representation? All we have are partisan politicians representing an electorate who’s plurality is Independent. When choosing minority representation issues to contemplate, that’s maybe not the minority representation issue we’d prefer to focus on. I wonder why?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nutagain, all valid points. I am a staunch believer in 20 hrs = BENEFITS, and not just token ones! Walmart should be held criminally liable on that front.
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August West
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Where the wind blows strange
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It will be up to Roberts to restore the legitimacy and prestige of the court. Another series of 5-4 sweeping decisions on hot button issues may permanently destroy the court’s reputation.
Well Roberts will most likely be the new swing justice. On the biggest issues of the days, restrictions on abortion, EPA regulations on CO2, rolling back labor standards, insert your concern here,...
The court will move as far right as Roberts let and they will mostly be 5-4 decisions.
The Supreme Court has never been this wise, impartial institution bestowing fair outcomes from above.
I think it is a bit like Nixon/Watergate.
Nixon was more corrupt than most, but at least he tore off the veil for the public to see. Americans were never quite as gullible and naive afterwards*.
*Some Trump supporters excepted.
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Bale
Mountain climber
UT
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The best thing to emerge from this entire debacle...........
The Samuel L Jackson video.
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Trump
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Like apogee said, one argument could be the hope that he helps to overturn Roe v. Wade but, apart from that, I don't get how Joe Republican thinks this will be good for him apart from the 'my side won' argument.
Apart from that? An NBC poll from July said that 52% of Republicans expressed support for Roe v Wade.
Maybe the Republican strategy of working so hard to get a conservative majority on the court was just an emotionally tribally influenced miscalculation. Let’s not tell them, and just reap the rewards of their mistake. That’s been working so far for us. Oh wait, no, it hasn’t.
The stuff that we “don’t get” - we probably need to work on getting that stuff.
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dirtbag
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The main reason for losing is that Dems have failed to realize that the hard core, trumpified, right wing Republican Party has, since at least the days of Gingrich, mounted an all out war against the Dems to gain power, and that the era of both sides respecting democratic norms and bipartisanship is long gone. The Dems have popular support, but they have been clueless as to what they are up against and have lost. Dems have a ruthless opponent, hell bent on permanently freezing them out of power. Our republic literally depends on Dems waking the fook up and playing hard ball before it is too late.
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wilbeer
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Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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All true and I believe they will.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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dirt
+1
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Trump
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Gerrymandering, ok. Those damn folks who wrote the constitution f*#ked us royally with their two senators per state gerrymandered bullsh#t.
Pay no attention to the fact that congressional districting has essentialy no effect on how Senate and Presidential races are decided, had no effect on the results of the latest Presidential election, and had no effect on the election of any of the Senators who cast votes on Kavanaugh’s confirmation.
I blame the Republicans anyway. I guess on the plus side though, their guy did help us end slavery.
Here’s a list of Republicans who opposed Trump’s presidential bid when he became the Republican nominee:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_opposed_the_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016
The last two republican presidents, 5 of the Republican candidates who pledged to endorse the eventual nominee reneged when it turned out to be trump, 22 former Republican cabinet members, 12 active Republican governors, 13 active Republican senators, 32 active Republican congressmen.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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apogee
Oct 8, 2018 - 09:25am PT
"...antiquated notions of due process and innocent until proven guilty."
Do you believe that due process occurred in this case?
No. The Democrats were much more intent on disregarding any semblance of fairness throughout the whole process. So many sleazy moves.
That the FBI investigation was adequate?
That depends on what they were supposed to investigate. If it was just Kavanaugh/Ford incident, I'd say probably.... simply because there wasn't much more to do than interview the other four "witnesses".
From the start, the Dems tried to thwart this nomination by whatever means necessary. They played hard and dirty... and still lost.
It'll be interesting to see which party realized mid-term benefits from this fiasco. about 10 days ago, 538 had the Dems chance of getting control of the Senate at 31.7%. Now it's 21.1%.
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