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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Pell , do you think formerclimber is posing (sic) from Olgino?{ Ольгино) every post 100 rubles . 40 posts in 5 hours
Interesting; that's about $10/hr. Can you describe more? Is that what ATG was doing on the Trump thread?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Good luck...I predict disillusionment is in your future.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Very touching that the comrades spend so much time denigrating the US but as soon as some guy asks a few questions they turn all Love It Or Leave It.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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they turn all Love It Or Leave It
You know I'm sure, as you are a world traveler, it's REALLY hard to leave for somewhere else. You have to have lots of cash or a job in some critical field, like medicine, and you can't be old. So maybe you might look at it as suggesting we stop the destruction that is taking place and change it for the better. This is no longer the frontier where every person can go out and stake a claim and start a cattle ranch. There are over 300 million people here, it's getting crowded, and there needs to be some sort of plan. This is not some pipe dream libertarian land where each person can do exactly what they want; we all affect the conditions or everyone else, be they environmental, economic, etc. The view that all of us can go somewhere and live anyway we like no longer applies. There are limited resources, water, land. We need to respect our neighbors as they need to respect us and not just f*#k things up to suit ourselves.
So, love it or change it for the better. For 99% of Americans it's really impossible to leave. I'm fortunate as I have US and NZ passports, as does my daughter. It ain't that easy for most.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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you sure can sell a lot of hot dogs to the upper middle class when you sing that tune...
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Yes a huge problem in the US is big money corrupting politics and corrupt politicians enacting laws that benefit the wealthy and make it harder for the average person to move up. The dismantling of Obamacare is a great example. It wasn’t a perfect law but really they want to kill it because they do t want the rich paying for the poors healthcare.
Income inequality is extreme and increasing.
Gotta disagree on building codes. Yes there’s too much red tape and fees but for the most part it’s about building safe structures and not having a cess pool pollute your neighbors well.
There are plenty of places with cheap land where you could build a small cabin and do small agriculture. If you’re in the middle of no where no one will know if you build an unpermitted cabin.
Russia seems much more corrupt than the us though. The govt system is ripe for abuse. And it seems the culture is more corrupt. I’ve had Russian friends who say they’d never go back because the police and politicians are corrupt and you can’t do anything about it. And as you mention theft is a problem.
The us is expensive. Many people retire elsewhere to stretch their dollars.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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As many discening posters have mentioned, the troll who started this thread, is a Russian Troll.
I sigh for those who think otherwise.
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John M
climber
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LOL. for what purpose? How does this thread serve Russia?
Edit: I could sigh too.. would that help?
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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LOL. for what purpose? How does this thread serve Russia?
To sow dissension. Laugh all you want, but sh#t is going on from the Russians and it isn't helpful. When I first read this thread I thought 'okay, WTF' but as I read it and looked at the times between responses doubt crept in. This is just bullshit to aggravate the masses. Vote in November; the count may be altered, but vote.
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John M
climber
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Anyone aggravated by this thread probably needs to do some growing.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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I know a number of Russian expats here in Malibu; except for the higher cost of living, they all vastly prefer living here as opposed to Russia. My guess is if you go back, you will run into a different set of challenges that will make your life just as difficult as it is now. But you may have to try it and find out for yourself. Initially you will feel some exhilaration due to new and fresh circumstances, but that will not last. This is just my hunch, I hope if you do go, I am wrong and things turn out well.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Winemaker! Per your post!
Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Aug 3, 2018 - 10:08pm PT
LOL. for what purpose? How does this thread serve Russia?
To sow dissension. Laugh all you want, but sh#t is going on from the Russians and it isn't helpful. When I first read this thread I thought 'okay, WTF' but as I read it and looked at the times between responses doubt crept in. This is just bullshit to aggravate the masses. Vote in November; the count may be altered, but vote.
Indeed! The Russian Troll showed up tonight & has 30-plus posts only & all on this thread.
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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LOL. for what purpose? How does this thread serve Russia?
I am just guessing. Troll's factory have some budget/financing for messing up with Americans. They need to spent money. It does not look that they spending money smart way messing up on supertaco but for them it probably does not mater. they reports number of posts, and no one can measure efficiency of screwing moral of the society
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Robb
Social climber
Cat Box
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You guys should pay attention to all of this.....This is pro-level work.
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jeremy_almond
Trad climber
Grants Pass, OR
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Insane. You used California as a gauge to all of America...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Who the hell cares if he is a troll? We all got our money’s worth, didn’t we?
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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My thoughts on this.
First. Sometimes it's good to verbalise and get other people's reactions, in order to confirm what one really feels. Everybody's had a first time writing here. If one doesn't want the forum to die, it's a must with newbies.
Second. I doubt you can go back "home" to Russia and feel at a completely ease. You're now adapted to an American culture, which means you're today both Unitedstatian and Russian, and neither. Not ascribing any certanties about you, I don't know you, but it's a classic which hits immigrants, not feeling completely at home anywhere, in new or old country. There are those who embrace their new country more than born and bred people, in order to dig new roots and escape this situation, don't know if it works.
Fourth. Some of the concerns you mention about the USA is the same as I observed from a distance, with one major condition left out. Probably because I just don't understand it, I do doubt the judicial system of the US, meaning both the police and the court system. From my point of view - do not misunderstand me, I'm convinced there's lots of police officers and judges who are honest, doing their best, have an extremely difficult job, are helpful to the public etc, but as a whole there's rather questionable issues and it doesn't seem as very safe for the ordinary citizen, if something goes wrong. Even if the culture of the USA as a country is more violent than in most of the world, (not talking about individuals) one cannot help wonder about statistics, like the amount of the population in prison.
Third. There are more Englishspeaking countries with cool parts. My suggestion would be Australia or New Zealand. Easygoing safe countries without being overly regulated and with vast wildernesses. Good healthcare (not insurancebased). I read your post and to me it seems as these countries meet your requirements.
(I do have prejudicies against the development of Russia and the former Soviet states, I know this, you take that in account. I would not settle there, ever. No way. )
Last, Reilly, why would you not be welcome here? We generally like Unitedstatians and the cultures are alike enough for you to feel at home. But you know that already. Get your ass over here and settle down. :-)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Lollie, eftersom Sverige inte behöver mer gammelgubber. 😔
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WBraun
climber
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If you go back to Russia and live in a rural area to grow your own food and
become generally self-sufficient you'll be bomber and the same holds true in the USA.
Stay away from the st00pid big cities.
Live a simple life like you said .....
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