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10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Aug 26, 2018 - 05:12pm PT
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 26, 2018 - 05:17pm PT
Trump is soooooo-hated by decent Republicans, he was banned from Barbara Bush's funeral too.

A Essex

climber
Aug 26, 2018 - 05:48pm PT
Disrespectful duck,

a true Patriot to the end

country before compromised party

in the face of a slow coup to a corptocracy by a con man
nafod

Boulder climber
State college
Aug 26, 2018 - 06:01pm PT
John McCain was the father of ISIS.
Obama bears a lot of blame for the rise of ISIS, as he pulled us out when we needed to stay and see through the mess we made. I say this, knowing Iraq was the stupidest thing we ever did. ISIS filled the vacuum we left.

McCain was an imperfect man, yet a great American hero. I’ll mourn him.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2018 - 06:29pm PT
“...an imperfect man, yet a great American...”

A great summary of many of us. Odd that we expect our political leaders to be perfect reflections of our own values and expectations. We are deeply disappointed and offended when they fail in any respect. They are, like us, only human.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Aug 26, 2018 - 06:34pm PT
McCain wasn't human. He was Republican.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2018 - 06:54pm PT
(Re: Bob Craner, imprisoned in a cell near John McCain)

He was a remarkably composed man with the courage to accept any fate with great dignity. There were times when I would start to lose my nerve. I would detect some sign that another camp purge was coming, and my dread of another beating would start to get the better of my self-control. Anticipating a beating could prove more unnerving than the beating itself.

“Bob, I think it’s coming again, and I don’t think they’ll miss us.”

“If it comes, it comes,” he counseled me. “If it doesn’t, it doesn’t, and there isn’t a damn thing we can do about it.”

It may strike others as odd that such fatalism could have comforted us, but it did. It was the best attitude you could hold under the circumstances. It steeled me when I was weak, and made me feel better about myself. Worrying about a beating was pointless. There wasn’t much I could do to prevent it, save disgrace myself, and disgrace hurt more than the worst beating.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2018 - 07:06pm PT
McCain at a town hall repeatedly calming and correcting people who called his opponent dangerous, or “an Arab,” or someone to be “scared of”: “No, ma’am. He’s a decent family man [and] citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with. . . . I have to tell you, Senator Obama is a decent person and a person you don’t have to be scared of as president of the United States. . . . We want to fight, and I will fight. But I will be respectful.”


Can you imagine any kind of commentary such as this from the Republican base in this era?
WBraun

climber
Aug 26, 2018 - 07:17pm PT
McCain is like us, only human.

NO, you're insane apogee.

McCain caused sooo much undue suffering and death to so many (millions) and you think he's like us.

You ARE insane!
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 26, 2018 - 07:52pm PT
Obama bears a lot of blame for the rise of ISIS, as he pulled us out when we needed to stay and see through the mess we made

No, the Iraq Withdrawal was created and militarily ordered by the Republican Bush Admin

*2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory".[11][12][13] The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011, in accordance with this agreement.[1][11][12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_Iraq
A Essex

climber
Aug 26, 2018 - 08:28pm PT
McCain was a decent human being, like the Bushes

Trumpo is jealous like a spoiled child at the respect McCain garnered for years of actual serive to the country.

Capt bone Spurs is gutter trash and his base continues to lick his little orange excuse of bases

10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Aug 26, 2018 - 09:01pm PT
McCain is like us, only human.

NO, you're insane apogee.

McCain caused sooo much undue suffering and death to so many (millions) and you think he's like us.

hey werner I've respected you for pulling dumbasses of rocks, but you've spent way too much time time in that cocoon, known as Yosemite Valley.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Aug 26, 2018 - 09:06pm PT
McCain was a decent human being, like the Bushes
I love your dark sarcasm
But McCain was no where as evil as the Bushes
nafod

Boulder climber
State college
Aug 27, 2018 - 03:48am PT

No, the Iraq Withdrawal was created and militarily ordered by the Republican Bush Admin
When the time actually came to withdraw, both the smart Iraqis and the Americans who knew Iraq knew we needed to keep a stabilizing presence. We could have attempted to negotiate a modification to the agreement in place. Obama didn’t even try, he just hid behind Bush’s agreement. The opposite of a courageous leader making the hard call.

And how many more then needlessly died on top of the ones lost in the opening fubar?

I generally was OK with Obama as President, but he screwed that one up badly, along with supporting Maliki.

When you have to send troops back, that tells you they shouldn’t have left.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 27, 2018 - 05:42am PT

HuffPost
McCain’s Non-Support for Troops and Veterans: The Master List
By Brandon Friedman
11/01/2008
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Updated Dec 06, 2017
On Friday, September September 26, 2008, John McCain said the following:

“I know the veterans, I know them well, and I know that they know that I’ll take care of them, and I have been proud of their support and their recognition of my service to the veterans, and I love them, and I’ll take care of them, and they know that I’ll take care of them.”

This statement—made near the end of Friday’s debate—immediately infuriated veterans across America and overseas. In fact, Senator John McCain has a very clear, long, and illustrious history of not supporting troops and veterans one bit.

Now, I’ve seen legislative examples, I’ve watched the YouTubes, and I’ve lived this lack of support in more ways than one. But now, for the first time, I’ve tried to compile as much of this non-support as possible into a single document—from a variety of sources—complete with links, quotes, and video clips. It’s something that readers often ask me about, so I hope this helps. I’m sure there’s a lot missing, so feel free to add more in the comments. But for now, I think this should give us a good start in exposing John McCain’s abysmal of record of supporting troops and veterans. Here we go:

Senator John McCain’s Record on Troop and Veterans’ Issues

Voting Against Veterans

Veterans Groups Give McCain Failing Grades. In its most recent legislative ratings, the non-partisan Disabled American Veterans gave Sen. McCain a 20 percent rating for his voting record on veterans’ issues. Similarly, the non-partisan Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans of America gave McCain a “D” grade for his poor voting record on veterans’ issues, including McCain’s votes against additional body armor for troops in combat and additional funding for PTSD and TBI screening and treatment.

McCain Voted Against Increased Funding for Veterans’ Health Care. Although McCain told voters at a campaign rally that improving veterans’ health care was his top domestic priority, he voted against increasing funding for veterans’ health care in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. (Greenville News, 12/12/2007; S.Amdt. 2745 to S.C.R. 95, Vote 40, 3/10/04; Senate S.C.R. 18, Vote 55, 3/16/05; S.Amdt. 3007 to S.C.R. 83, Vote 41, 3/14/06; H.R. 1591, Vote 126, 3/29/07)

McCain Voted At Least 28 Times Against Veterans’ Benefits, Including Healthcare. Since arriving in the U.S. Senate in 1987, McCain has voted at least 28 times against ensuring important benefits for America’s veterans, including providing adequate healthcare. (2006 Senate Vote # 7, 41, 63, 67, 98, 222; 2005 Senate Votes # 55, 89, 90, 251, 343; 2004 Senate Votes # 40, 48, 145; 2003 Senate Votes # 74, 81, 83; 1999 Senate Vote # 328; 1998 Senate Vote # 175; 1997 Senate Vote # 168; 1996 Senate Votes # 115, 275; 1995 Senate Votes # 76, 226, 466; 1994 Senate Vote # 306; 1992 Senate Vote # 194; 1991 Senate Vote # 259)

McCain Voted Against Providing Automatic Cost-of-Living Adjustments to Veterans. McCain voted against providing automatic annual cost-of-living adjustments for certain veterans’ benefits. (S. 869, Vote 259, 11/20/91)

McCain Voted to Underfund Department of Veterans Affairs. McCain voted for an appropriations bill that underfunded the Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development by $8.9 billion. (H.R. 2099, Vote 470, 9/27/95)

McCain Voted Against a $13 Billion Increase in Funding for Veterans Programs. McCain voted against an amendment to increase spending on veterans programs by $13 billion. (S.C.R. 57, Vote 115, 5/16/96)

McCain Voted Against $44.3 Billion for Veterans Programs. McCain was one of five senators to vote against a bill providing $44.3 billion for the Department of Veterans Affairs, plus funding for other federal agencies. (H.R. 2684, Vote 328, 10/15/99)

McCain Voted Against $47 Billion for the Department of Veterans Affairs. McCain was one of eight senators to vote against a bill that provided $47 billion for the Department of Veterans Affairs. (H.R. 4635, Vote 272, 10/12/00)

McCain Voted Against $51 Billion in Veterans Funding. McCain was one of five senators to vote against the bill and seven to vote against the conference report that provided $51.1 billion for the Department of Veterans Affairs, as well as funding for the federal housing, environmental and emergency management agencies and NASA. (H.R. 2620, Vote 334, 11/8/01; Vote 269, 8/2/01)

McCain Voted Against $122.7 Billion for Department of Veterans Affairs. McCain voted against an appropriations bill that included $122.7 billion in fiscal 2004 for the Department of Veterans Affairs, Housing and Urban Development and other related agencies. (H.R. 2861, Vote 449, 11/12/03)

McCain Opposed $500 Million for Counseling Services for Veterans with Mental Disorders. McCain voted against an amendment to appropriate $500 million annually from 2006-2010 for counseling, mental health and rehabilitation services for veterans diagnosed with mental illness, posttraumatic stress disorder or substance abuse. (S. 2020, S.Amdt. 2634, Vote 343, 11/17/05)

McCain opposed an Assured Funding Stream for Veterans’ Health Care. McCain opposed providing an assured funding stream for veterans’ health care, taking into account annual changes in veterans’ population and inflation. (S.Amdt. 3141 to S.C.R. 83, Vote 63, 3/16/06)

McCain Voted Against Adding More Than $400 Million for Veterans’ Care. McCain was one of 13 Republicans to vote against providing an additional $430 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs for outpatient care and treatment for veterans. (S.Amdt. 3642 to H.R. 4939, Vote 98, 4/26/06)

McCain Supported Outsourcing VA Jobs. McCain opposed an amendment that would have prevented the Department of Veterans Affairs from outsourcing jobs, many held by blue-collar veterans, without first giving the workers a chance to compete. (S.Amdt. 2673 to H.R. 2642, Vote 315, 9/6/07)

McCain Opposed the 21st Century GI Bill Because It Was Too Generous. McCain did not vote on the GI Bill that will provide better educational opportunities to veterans of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, paying full tuition at in-state schools and living expenses for those who have served at least three years since the 9/11 attacks. McCain said he opposes the bill because he thinks the generous benefits would “encourage more people to leave the military.” (S.Amdt. 4803 to H.R. 2642, Vote 137, 5/22/08; Chattanooga Times Free Press, 6/2/08; Boston Globe, 5/23/08; ABCNews.com, 5/26/08)

Disabled American Veterans Legislative Director Said That McCain’s Proposal Would Increase Costs For Veterans Because His Plan Relies On Private Hospitals Which Are More Expensive and Which Could Also Lead To Further Rationing Of Care. “To help veterans who live far from VA hospitals or need specialized care the VA can’t provide, McCain proposed giving low-income veterans and those who incurred injury during their service a card they could use at private hospitals. The proposal is not an attempt to privatize the VA, as critics have alleged, but rather, an effort to improve care and access to it, he said. Joe Violanti, legislative director of the Disabled American Veterans, a nonpartisan organization, said the proposal would increase costs because private hospitals are more expensive. The increased cost could lead to further rationing of care, he said.” (Las Vegas Sun, 8/10/08)

Lack of Support for the Troops

McCain co-sponsored the Use of Force Authorization. McCain supported the bill that gave President George W. Bush the green light—and a blank check—for going to war with Iraq. (SJ Res 46, 10/3/02)

McCain Opposed Increasing Spending on TRICARE and Giving Greater Access to National Guard and Reservists. Although his campaign website devotes a large section to veterans issues, including expanding benefits for reservists and members of the National Guard, McCain voted against increasing spending on the TRICARE program by $20.3 billion over 10 years to give members of the National Guard and Reserves and their families greater access to the health care program. The increase would be offset by a reduction in tax cuts for the wealthy. (S.Amdt. 324 to S.C.R. 23, Vote 81, 3/25/03)

McCain voted against holding Bush accountable for his actions in the war. McCain opposed the creation of an independent commission to investigate the development and use of intelligence leading up to the war in Iraq. (S.Amdt. 1275 to H.R. 2658, Vote 284, 7/16/03)

McCain voted Against Establishing a $1 Billion Trust Fund for Military Health Facilities. McCain voted against establishing a $1 billion trust fund to improve military health facilities by refusing to repeal tax cuts for those making more than $1 million a year. (S.Amdt. 2735 to S.Amdt. 2707 to H.R. 4297, Vote 7, 2/2/06)

Senator McCain opposed efforts to end the overextension of the military—a policy that is having a devastating impact on our troops. McCain voted against requiring mandatory minimum downtime between tours of duty for troops serving in Iraq. (S.Amdt.. 2909 to S.Amdt. 2011 to HR 1585, Vote 341, 9/19/07; S.Amdt. 2012 to S.Amdt. 2011 to HR 1585, Vote 241, 7/11/07)

McCain announced his willingness to keep U.S. troops in Iraq for decades—a statement sure to inflame Iraqis and endanger American troops. McCain: “Make it a hundred” years in Iraq and “that would be fine with me.” (Derry, New Hampshire Town Hall meeting, 1/3/08)

McCain voted against a ban on waterboarding—a form of torture—in a move that could eventually endanger American troops. According to ThinkProgress, “the Senate brought the Intelligence Authorization Bill to the floor, which contained a provision from Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) establishing one interrogation standard across the government. The bill requires the intelligence community to abide by the same standards as articulated in the Army Field Manual and bans waterboarding.” McCain voted against the bill. (H.R. 2082, Vote 22, 2/13/08)

McCain Also Supported Outsourcing at Walter Reed. McCain opposed an amendment to prevent the outsourcing of 350 federal employee jobs at Walter Reed Army Medical Center—outsourcing that contributed to the scandalous treatment of veterans at Walter Reed that McCain called a “disgrace.” (S.Amdt. 4895 to H.R. 5631, Vote 234, 9/6/06; Speech to VFW in Kansas City, Mo., 4/4/08)
I was always perplexed at the optics of these votes. The son of an Admiral with privilege voting against the opportunity for vets to get a government funded education.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 27, 2018 - 06:44am PT
....simple military win and turn it into a long protracted abortion where the only winners are the f*#ks who make the gear and the f*#ks who buy the recycleable and resources afterwords...

It goes a lot deeper than that. Moar Woar props up the entire system through public fear of "them". The enemy du jour. Once you learn that the same system is perfectly willing to kill you and everyone around you under the false flag of that chosen and oftentimes, completely fabricated, enemy, it become quite clear.

Flags are useful props.

Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 27, 2018 - 07:07am PT
Overall, I respected McCain, both because of his sacrifice while in the Service but because he differed so greatly in his values from the current crops of Republican drones, who appear to value only the party. That level of respect dropped alot when he went to the gutter to select Palin as a running mate, which meant that he was more interested in a win than something good for our nation. Voting records can be an inaccurate gauge given the sausage making nature of legislation, the add on items completely unrelated to an underlying bills, etc. Still, as others have pointed out, a good man and much better than most of his peers.

It figures that a Trump loving troll/jackass like ATG has only harsh words after his passing. Neither class nor brains with that one.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Aug 27, 2018 - 07:57am PT
No, the Iraq Withdrawal was created and militarily ordered by the Republican Bush Admin

2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory".[11][12][13] The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011, in accordance with this agreement.[1][11][12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_Iraq
cron

Trad climber
Dover
Aug 27, 2018 - 08:01am PT
A nice episode of the Daily today on McCain.

https://www.nytimes.com/podcasts/the-daily

Also, this David Foster Wallace essay about his coverage of the 2000 election is one of my favorite reads.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/david-foster-wallace-on-john-mccain-the-weasel-twelve-monkeys-and-the-shrub-194272/
A Essex

climber
Aug 27, 2018 - 08:12am PT
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