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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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so the black dudes on my street mostly (76%) bet on the runty little pit-fighter whereas the big swinging dick 87lb stony-muscled pit got 23%. So they made a pretty sh#t bet.
You should reach out to "those guys" about their selection of a destined, crowd nonpleaser of a loser.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I’d suggest those who can’t get over Bernie’s loss reach out to people of color to learn and expand their depth of understanding.
What do *people of color* want that's different from what everybody else wants?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Gud question Chaz...
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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a saxophonist, Chaz. I think that was crankster's point.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2017 - 03:13pm PT
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Trump will not go to jail unless a state files charges against him. The NY State Attorney General is mirroring charges being made by Mueller. Some months ago someone was quoted(I'm not sure if it was Schneiderman)as saying, about the strategy (paraphrase)"It's being run like a classic mafia family takedown." Mueller and NYSAG can share information, I believe I recall reading, which has made connecting the dots more easy, since NYSAG has had the Trump businesses under scrutiny for years. State charges, by the way cannot be pardoned. Only federal charges can be.
As for the meme with quote of Clinton saying "Republicans are depolarables," she did not say that. What she actually said was: "You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people -- now 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks -- they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America."
Nonetheless, a very big blunder. Had she only said "many" instead of "half," or "a very vocal minority of Trump supporters." But that's what happens in politics. We latch on to words and use them to our ends. But realize that it had been a hell of a long while since hate groups were being openly courted by presidential candidates. Remember that we, as a nation, WERE shocked and astounded at the sh#t Trump spouted.
What do *people of color* want that's different from what everybody else wants? To not be eyed suspiciously for things like sitting in their parked car in their own driveway while they listen to a favorite song finish playing on the radio. To not have to worry about being shot if a policeman(has a female police officer ever blown away a black man on a traffic stop?) pulls them over for something like a tail light out. To not have experienced being called "nigger," at least at one point in their life. To attend an event and not be assumed to be "the help." You thing *everybody else* deal with that sort of thing on a regular basis? Well....people of color DO.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Excellent post, Happie. One of your best (and they're all good).
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yosemite 5.9
climber
santa cruz
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Well,Obama was President for eight years. What did he do for "people of color" to address these very concerns? He had eight years. A young African American recently expressed to me how disappointed she was in Obama for this very reason. I admit that I was surprised to hear her say this.
Trump has repeatedly expressed his concern to help all people to benefit from a better economy. He has specifically included minority groups as intended beneficiaries of a better economy.
Many so-called experts think he is in fantasy land to expect our economy to grow faster than 3%. That is ridiculous. China and India have been growing faster for decades.
We need to unleash the power of the United State for all of its citizens.
Trump understands our potential.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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The only thing mentally ill Trump is going to unleash is WW3.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Badda boom...!!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sanders almost won the Dem nomination for president in '16. To suggest he's not a Democrat-in-kind shows an almost incomprehensible ignorance of politics.
he wasn't a democrat before he won, and he instantly renounced being a democrat when he lost. He is not one now, only in fair weather.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Norton.. try to hear this. I voted for Hillary. My argument has been all along that there was a high chance that she would not win. She isn't a good leader. She might be effective behind the scenes, but out front she makes too many mistakes. And there was too much stink of corruption around her. But if I say that, then people like crankster will blame the republicans and fox news. I wasn't swayed by that. I was swayed by the rumors coming out of party headquarters. People don't like Hillary. So my argument all along was well before she became the parties nomination. Even her own husband tried to tell her she was making big mistakes. but she doesn't listen. Much like some people here.
John Mansplains this quite well.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Ken, dude, I think you're a dude. Nice mansplaining.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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What neither of you are hearing is there are millions of us stuck in the middle between winner takes all partisan as#@&%es. We're tired of the extremes. Many of us feel that left unchecked attitudes like those professed by the hard outer edges of the parties are leading us back toward civil war.
I want candidtes who not only are willing to compromise toward the middle, I demand it. If enough of us come to recognize it, WE control the national elections now. We swing this way and that and so fall the elections. What we need to do is NEVER vote the party ticket, ANY party ticket.
If we do that we will kick the partisan powers to the curb. The last two presidents were not elected on the strength of the party faithful.
Dingus, what you propose is a failed strategy. The democratic party has been made up of middle of the road negotiators and compromisers for a long time.
You don't think so? Abortion is a pretty hot-button issue. In the last election, the dem Vice Presidential candidate was anti-abortion.
Can you see Repugs running a pro-choice candidate?
But the self-removal of moderates, as I think you are describing yourself, results in a very significant shift to the extremes. Election by election, you are forcing those running to cater to those remaining who will vote for their party. You, they have no possibility of capturing, by your own pronouncements. You, and those like you, should be ignored by candidates. They will NEVER get your vote, no matter how moderate or compromising they are, so long as they have a d or r after their name.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Ken, dude, I think you're a dude. Nice mansplaining.
Are you familiar with the term? What woman am I interpreting for herself?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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you're calling out a dude for being a dude, dude. you've got an outtie too, so you're just as guilty, quoth the resident expert (an innie FWIW). sorry for mansplaining to you, man.
and what say ye to the Unity Party idear Ken M? Gabbard/Kasich? Is abortion really so incontrovertible for us?
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Werner probably plans to get the hops monopoly.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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State charges, by the way cannot be pardoned. Only federal charges can be.
Andrew Cuomo pardoned 100 people his last day in office.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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The context was that a fed can't pardon a state crime.
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