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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Aug 10, 2017 - 06:58pm PT
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Zing!
"I don't place a high value on "getting laid",
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Said no one ever.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 10, 2017 - 07:02pm PT
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Oh my gosh! I'm about crying here in my Chardonnay!!! Kevin is something special, indeed. He's truly One of a Kind.
Kevin Worral ... you're up! Take us on! Bring out the gloves!! You've got the attention of Anita514!!!!!!!!!!11111
And how many times do I have to ask you to ANSWER THE QUESTION:
How long has it been since you have been laid? Please provide the answer in minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, or in your case ...
...decades.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 10, 2017 - 07:28pm PT
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1) Because you're a total do-uche, and the fact that you can provide no answer to the simplest of all questions proves this.
2) I totally get it, dude, and a lot more regularly than a do-uche like you.
3) Probably early 80's. Pretty darn hard, up here in Ontario. Check the index in the guidebook. Look up the name Zabrok. It occurs frequently. I suck at free climbing these days, however, as it would require training, discipline, denial, not to mention less junk food, beer and wine. I love being an aid climber - I can get up off the couch each season and go climb El Cap by its hardest routes without any training whatsoever!
When was the last time you climbed a pretty hard free climb, Kevin?
4) "Especially with a chick"? See number 1. Ha. You couldn't climb an El Cap nailup if someone handed you a pecker and put it in your hand. But you have used your pecker so infrequentl, except in your hand, it explains clearly why you would [and do] turn down a piece of ass. Perhaps you should try men ass? Perhaps you would be more successful? Just a suggestion....
5) Patience? What do I need patience for? Didn't you see the bit above? Anita is pretty competent....
6) There is no sixth thing.
7) When I was a hardman free climber back in the day,I used to poo-poo the guys who were climbing with their girlfriends. For back then, there were few women who could climb hard. [how times have changed!] I used to think, "These guys are missing out climbing 5.10 or 5.11 because they are doing easy routes with their girlfriends."
Nowadays, I have a different take: How wonderful it is to share my passion and climb big walls with the woman I love, who is my best friend?
I feel truly blessed.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 10, 2017 - 07:41pm PT
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Good for you!
Good ol' Kevin Worral.
You're a helluva guy.
[P.S. Now please ... answer my question, will ya? Is it that hard? ]
Edit: Oh my gosh, NOW I get it. It's NOT that hard! Because IT doesn't GET HARD any more.
That explains it totally.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 10, 2017 - 07:43pm PT
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OK, concur. It's kind of a lame post to hate on a hater, just because someone climbs a good climb. Good on Hazel.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Aug 10, 2017 - 08:54pm PT
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I think we have all learned a great deal from this thread.
1. Hazel Findlay is bad to the bone and a better climber than any of us sitting here squabbling about women's skillz.
2. Men and women are different
3. Pete and Kevin need to get a room!
4. There is no fourth thing. I gotta run...... sending my daughter back to college at Auburn Univ back in Alabama (proud papa here) tomorrow morning first thing. She is a swimmer there and broke our hearts by going all the way across the country rather than taking that swim scholarship at UCLA! I can't believe she moved that far away from California. We told her "it's OK, our feelings aren't hurt, we love your brother more anyway."
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Aug 10, 2017 - 10:44pm PT
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You shake hands before the beginning of the last round (boxing rules)
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 11, 2017 - 07:18am PT
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Having seen lots of newcomers to climbing it seems to me that women get it before the guys do. Women start out right away climbing with their feet and in balance. The guys try to muscle through everything.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Aug 11, 2017 - 07:26am PT
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Whew, thanks for the respite Warbler. I was afraid you and Piton Pete were gonna whip out your tools for examination ;-)
Good article on one of the worlds great endurance races. They can't find enough women.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/sports/trans-siberian-race-russia.html?nytapp=true
Edit:
I have observed the same superior intuition of novice women climbers as Gary above.
Edit 2:
Good point by Warbler above on the power of women over men.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 11, 2017 - 08:00am PT
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I disagree with a lot of Kevin's points but the misinterpretation of what he says, straw men arguments and ad hominem attacks show that many people know what to think but not how to think because rather than give good arguments we have to "take him down a peg" because we disagree.
Can't you just disagree?
"Progressives" lol
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 11, 2017 - 08:05am PT
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Women start out right away climbing with their feet and in balance.
Except for the ones that can't climb at all period and don't even belong there.
Not everyone is made out to be a climber .......
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cat t.
climber
california
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Aug 11, 2017 - 09:12am PT
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Well, this thread deteriorated. Mocking someone for their "lack of a woman" is still treating women like a commodity. Who the hell cares? A woman isn't a thing you earn. Nor should we celebrate this supposed "power" women have to extort men with their sexual wiles. An embarrassing exchange...
Anyway. I think the gender-imbalance question is two separate issues woven together. There's this question of "why aren't there more women in climbing or physics or some other male dominated sport?" There are many answers, and on this topic I think there is plenty of room for rational disagreement. The second question, though, is "since there are ALREADY women (a minority, but they exist) at the top levels of climbing and physics and other male-dominated fields, why do we continue to question their competence and mockingly point out their minority-status?"
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cat t.
climber
california
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Aug 11, 2017 - 09:25am PT
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DMT, who is "we," though? At least based on what's been publicized in Silicon Valley of late, there are still many workplaces where people are not so high-minded as you and your colleagues.
Edit: haha, oops, 'twas I who used "we" first. "Why are there still people who..." would have been better.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 11, 2017 - 09:27am PT
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Except for the ones that can't climb at all period and don't even belong there.
Not everyone is made out to be a climber .......
Given that applies to about 85% of today's 'modern' climbers I think gender sorting them is kind of irrelevant.
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cat t.
climber
california
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Aug 11, 2017 - 09:32am PT
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But we are not them. Don't like being lumped.
Yeah, I suppose this is one of the biggest impediments to having a calm conversation about sexism. The "women are this..."/"men do this..." openers probably result in a fair bit of defensiveness.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 11, 2017 - 11:12am PT
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I'm glad PTPP can tell us how to treat women. A dude with his track record should stay far from this discussion.
I don't place a high value on getting laid either. Goes down a good fraction every year. Early 20's caused a lot of problems in my life in pursuit of it lol.
These days it's nice to have someone I like to be around that we can have fun with together but it's not a big deal, it comes and goes.
I think some people may be projecting their insecurities.
I think Cleo hit the argument correct when she said to be careful how we label because kids will assume the rules we give them. I've mentored and coached many women, and the young ones sometimes need examples why they belong in the arena as well.
What I mean to say is, who gives a sh#t. Me being short makes me not as likely to be successful at basketball - but I CAN be successful. Even tho i "wasted" my pre teen years playing basketball it was fun - even if maybe I wasn't destined for greatness, but I could have been.
Aside from children adults should not seek approval from others to do what they want. If Kevin's beliefs challenge yours find out if you care enough to get enraged over something that doesn't affect you or laugh it off.
How many of you here posting volunteer training young women?
Thought so.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Aug 11, 2017 - 11:22am PT
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His attempts to discredit me by demanding to see my scorecard expose the level of power women yield over most men ..
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That's, a pretty sweeping generalization, Gary ..
In your analysis of gender differences, that one instance exposes the power that women have over MOST men? But it's other people who make generalizations about gender differences, based on insufficient information?
Now that we've solved the nature/nurture question, why can't people just see the light, and be satisfied with the sex power that women wield, and not believe they're as biologically fit to climb as we are?
Women are always suffering from their weak human mind games, pareidolia, and the law of small numbers. If only they were mentally tougher and more rational like we men are, maybe they could be better climbers, like us.
Can't we just believe in the way it used to be, the natural order of the world, when men were mighty climbers, and women were mighty sex objects? It's like there's nowhere to escape from this stuff anymore!
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Aug 11, 2017 - 11:27am PT
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[/With the exception of Big Ole' JOE, & that martyrdom duck,]
O M G !
10/10 things are way more fun when it's a women who's the rope gun
well?thats a lot a pussy!
YEAH, I know, a low blow
I swear it, the picture was a mistake,
COUNTERPOINT
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 11, 2017 - 11:36am PT
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That's a pretty sweeping generalization, Gary, and not my experience.
You must have a lot of experience with beginning climbers then.
But I don't coach many beginners.
Oh.
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