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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Sipping some Covefe here... just fyife...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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I have changed my opinion of Trump. I used to think of him as the most dispicable example of a human being that I could imagine.
His behavior, however, indicates that he has very serious mental problems and one should always have some compassion for the severely disabled.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Larry "TOM" Elder...
The irony apparently lost on you is that your response is precisely what he predicted you'd say without ever watching the video.
You guys live in a vague, ethereal cloud of "impressions" that "this" is "wrong," but you cannot actually define or provide objective evidence of "this" to which you "refer."
So, as this very thread evidences, you appeal to straw men and ad hominem attacks to "validate" your perspective.
I keep asking (with no response): What EXACTLY are the systematic repressions in our present society? How EXACTLY is "darky kept down" over the lifetime of almost all of us here?
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Crankaloon, I'm still waiting to hear what your graphic MEANS
Well I don't mean to speak for Crank but a lot of it resonated with me.
Some examples.
*Most Ivy League schools did not admit women until the late 60s to early 70s.
Penn (my alma) admitted women way back in history so it was about my only option since I didn't want a female only school.
*my brother received full ride athletic scholarship in 1964. Such did not exist for me in any meaningful way several years later. Heck I wasn't even allowed to play b-ball on a full court until Title XI
* ROTC scholarships: Were avail to males only
Key Club scholarships: (HS boys equivalent of Kiwanis). Boys only, scholarship offers.
Demolay: boys scholarship. Rainbow Girls: no scholarship
HS did not permit girls in shop, metal shop, or heaven forbid: drafting!!! Advanced bio and calculus open to girls only after eligible boys were enrolled.
Going for a history PhD at Penn ... a girl really? Constantly reminded that there isn't a college that will hire a woman instructor in history. They were almost right. How liberal and wonderful could UCSanta Cruz be? Oh my dreams could come true. Also for a female friend who was a new bio PhD.
Within two years it was clear that a woman would never be advanced to tenure track. However, you only have my word that it was "under the table" sexism, and not because I was unqualified. As for my bio friend, she never stood a chance in the male dominated science department. Very troubling treatment by "colleagues". And all this in ultra liberal UCSC in the 70s.
So don't take this as whinging. My academic prep and professional life have been very rewarding. I don't play the victim card. However there were frustrations and "greater powers at work" which did make roadbllocks and I had to take detours. So be it. But to suggest there weren't roadblocks that have derailed some women's dreams is sophomoric. I've tried to live by the adage "you can't control the wind, so adjust your sails".
Oh an BTW when involved in anti war activities, specifhcally SDS, women were primarily used for running the ditto machine, making coffee etc. So even radical groups BITD adhered to traditional sex roles!
I could give ton more examples, but heck I have a life. I truly believe many women of my generation had to run faster, jump higher and be willing to be called a "bitch" or coded "well isn't she ambitious" to make some of the strides we have. In retrospect I can't say I liked it or felt it was fair, but it was character building. So over the years while not radical or self righteous regarding civil rights I do remain vigilant. A lot of sh#t still happens in the "old white men" circles.
Susan
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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I think I understand that it's OK to discriminate against a white people applying to college even though that white person may be dirt poor, descended from people who are dirt poor, etc. Maybe that white person "just got off the boat" from Poland--it's still OK to discriminate against him or her as karmic retribution against those nasty whites. Nothing wrong with a little collective punishment.
Likewise, I now understand it's OK to discriminate in favor of a black person applying to college, even though said black person may have grown up in Beverly Hills or wherever, be the son or daughter of multi-millionaires, etc. Again, notwithstanding the privileges such a person had, since on average black people are less well off than white people, it's OK to give preferential treatment to any given black person in college admissions and to punish any given white person, notwithstanding personal history.
I got all that. If nothing else, it makes some white people feel better, and that's a very important thing in itself, right?
What I'm trying to figure out is where things stand with Asians . . .
why exactly is it OK to discriminate against them in college admissions?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/opinions/liberals-affirmative-action-asian-factor-bauerlein/index.html
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WBraun
climber
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Last year I had to go down to El portal welding shop to get something welded.
There was a young new seasonal female there welding along with the permanent regular welder there.
Cool .....
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c wilmot
climber
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yosrmite is rife with nepotism. Not sure I would highlight the place as an example of equality. There used to be twin girls working as carpenters- yet neither appeared to be able to build anything. When I asked a co worker who was local- they told me what I had suspected.
Daddy got them the job
Not to say females can't do the job- it's just that yos has serious flaws in its hiring system
It's the most corrupt place I have worked
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WBraun
climber
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This girl actually knew how to weld .....
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c wilmot
climber
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Sorry- my time in yos made me quite cynical
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jonnyrig
climber
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Oh, let's see here...
Liberals feel guilty over slavery and native aggression committed over the last several hundred years; but don't really willingly recognize more recent developments like the recognition individual rights granted by the 2nd amendment or that it was a really bad idea to put up Hillary during the last election.
Conservatives fail to recognize the shifting demographic supporting single-payer healthcare, while making fun of the snowflake liberals for failing to recognize their own racist heritage hearkening back to the old days of the 60's and prior; yet themselves crying foul against the very same liberals who refuse to hearken back to the good ol' days of 1776 or thereabouts when the famed 2nd was drafted, to which they so vehemently clamor in defense of self against some undefinable tyranny.
Both cry foul when the other makes fun of their president, despite demonstrable evidence of their own such bashing of the opposition.
Yep, I'm taking my white privilege to the bank to buy more guns and beer for the coming apocalypse.
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c wilmot
climber
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Ever worked for the nps DMT?
My guess is no
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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So I know many if not post ST posters don't have normal jobs or perhaps even abnormal jobs, but for those of us who do, this is the type of thing we get meeting invites for (this came after lunch today--it's not as if I had to sift through old emails):
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dirtbag
climber
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His behavior, however, indicates that he has very serious mental problems and one should always have some compassion for the severely disabled.
Somewhat grudgingly, I'm coming around to that view.
His enablers in congress, on the other hand...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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...granted by an activist conservative majority...
Fixed that for you...
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dirtbag
climber
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When the going get tough, trump bashes "the other." Muslims, Mexicans, transgender people, African Americans...whatever gets his white nationalist base riled up. It's awful, but historically it works. This action is no different.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Susan, I appreciate your response. I would note, however, that you're appealing to the 70s, while I'm asking about the supposed repression over even the last 30 years!
That graphic does "resonate" because most people with a strong opinion here are old enough that we can remember decades back when things WERE different from how they have been for a long time since.
I'm asking about present repressive mechanisms, or even mechanisms within the last couple/few decades.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dude is a SELL OUT!!!
Please explain what makes him a sell-out.
Is it because he's black and speaking out against "his race"? Then that's a racial statement you're making.
Can you be specific about why he's a sell-out?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Well I don't mean to speak for Crank but a lot of it resonated with me.
Some examples.
*Most Ivy League schools did not admit women until the late 60s to early 70s.
Penn (my alma) admitted women way back in history so it was about my only option since I didn't want a female only school.
*my brother received full ride athletic scholarship in 1964. Such did not exist for me in any meaningful way several years later. Heck I wasn't even allowed to play b-ball on a full court until Title XI
* ROTC scholarships: Were avail to males only
Key Club scholarships: (HS boys equivalent of Kiwanis). Boys only, scholarship offers.
Demolay: boys scholarship. Rainbow Girls: no scholarship
HS did not permit girls in shop, metal shop, or heaven forbid: drafting!!! Advanced bio and calculus open to girls only after eligible boys were enrolled.
Going for a history PhD at Penn ... a girl really? Constantly reminded that there isn't a college that will hire a woman instructor in history. They were almost right. How liberal and wonderful could UCSanta Cruz be? Oh my dreams could come true. Also for a female friend who was a new bio PhD.
Within two years it was clear that a woman would never be advanced to tenure track. However, you only have my word that it was "under the table" sexism, and not because I was unqualified. As for my bio friend, she never stood a chance in the male dominated science department. Very troubling treatment by "colleagues". And all this in ultra liberal UCSC in the 70s.
So don't take this as whinging. My academic prep and professional life have been very rewarding. I don't play the victim card. However there were frustrations and "greater powers at work" which did make roadbllocks and I had to take detours. So be it. But to suggest there weren't roadblocks that have derailed some women's dreams is sophomoric. I've tried to live by the adage "you can't control the wind, so adjust your sails".
Oh an BTW when involved in anti war activities, specifhcally SDS, women were primarily used for running the ditto machine, making coffee etc. So even radical groups BITD adhered to traditional sex roles!
I could give ton more examples, but heck I have a life. I truly believe many women of my generation had to run faster, jump higher and be willing to be called a "bitch" or coded "well isn't she ambitious" to make some of the strides we have. In retrospect I can't say I liked it or felt it was fair, but it was character building. So over the years while not radical or self righteous regarding civil rights I do remain vigilant. A lot of sh#t still happens in the "old white men" circles.
Susan, and mb1 wishes it still was like that.
wilmot, I know several people who have worked for the NPS, and they have never complained as much as you. geezus krist, man. You must have been doing something wrong.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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and mb1 wishes it still was like that
That's the sort of utter BS, poking-with-sticks CRAP that makes these "discussions" not even worth honest people's time. Seriously, you should be ashamed of yourself that you find it acceptable to impugn people's motives in that way.
That sort of comment is unacceptable, and honest people on this site should decry it. Only that way can we elevate the discussion to include all and only demonstrable facts and principles.
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