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Ouch!
climber
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Dec 19, 2006 - 08:25pm PT
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Lois, right is relative. Well....subjective anyway, considering the gray areas.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Dec 19, 2006 - 08:30pm PT
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Anyway, Truckee is a solid 50 miles from Portola, same state, though.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 19, 2006 - 08:37pm PT
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Answer my question about the advertising Issue when you get a chance Lois. Why spend Billions and Billions on reaching the public. I can understand greasing the doctor's palms.
I started a whole new thread for you to communicate in your own style without harassment. If somebody posts there, they're Ok with the Lois Way
peace
karl
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=296239
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Ouch!
climber
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Dec 19, 2006 - 08:41pm PT
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Color me OK with the Lois way.
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anachronism
Big Wall climber
Yosemite, CA
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Dec 19, 2006 - 09:45pm PT
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you have never before shown an awareness to be perceptive enough to make me think for one minute you were onto the game from the get-go. Glad you enjoyed watching it morph into a "who is turd?" guessing game. I'm sure that wasn't planned.
Of course, there's still two remaining possibilites - neither of which I care to really put enough energy into figuring out.
1) You are a troll of kodosian proportions. You really are not the person to which you claim to be. If that's the case then you could be any number of other trolls around here (DMTLEBturdOuchandanother). IF that's the case than congrats - you got me hook, line, sinker (and a host of many others).
2) you really are the person to which you claim: Lois E Brenneman. There use to be a pict of "you" on your npceu.com website. IF that's the case than I do not believe for a minute you had or have much of a clue as to how you were being toyed with. Nice try in defending yourself but I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I don't buy it.
As turd said:
This seems like an good time to point out that the original purpose of this discussion was to demonstrate why people like Nature get tired of answering your questions.
I think my work here is done.
mission accomplished there. Your drivel once again proved to be endless.
You stated in a thread I care not to look for that you'd rather annoy us than your husband. mmm... that's some class. I'm sure we all appreciate that.
So yeah, I followed this thread. If that was your game then congrats, you got me again. But the bottom line remains as Karl pointed out:
I get the impression that you genuinely just enjoy the conversation, while others care more about the intellectual or practical aspects of communication which might just be a bonus for you. They're frustrated if you don't "get it" On your side, you don't need to get it, you're happy to just yap.
and yap you will do.
So, the bottom line is I didn't respond to your questions about me and where I learned about sushi because I long ago got very tired of your yapping and decided not go engage you in converstation. To that I will return (and apologize to the rest of the ST crew for feeding the troll).
I do stand corrected - Karl is interested in what you write about the med industry. Others may as well.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 19, 2006 - 09:56pm PT
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Just checked out that website
"Sorry, this site is temporarily unavailable.
Please check back later."
Conspiracy?
Peace
karl
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Mimi
climber
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Dec 19, 2006 - 10:09pm PT
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Is there an official list of people on ST with duplicate or multiple IDs? I'm sure you cybersleuths have this info.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 19, 2006 - 10:22pm PT
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I decided recently that being annoyed with Lois was making me a worse person so I just let her be her.
But to be fair Lois. Nature gave you hints that you didn't take. Let's look
Lois:
"Hey, nature, you never answered my question posted on another thread (a while back). Where/how did you learn to become a sushi chef?
Re: Dec 18, 2006, 10:20am PST
Author:
nature
climber
From: Flagstaff, AZ LEB - I'm well aware of that fact.
snip
There's a pretty blatant hint Lois
But you didn't take it
Re: Dec 18, 2006, 10:55am PST
Author:
LEB
climber
From: Glen Gardner So, you don't want to say? Hmmmmmm....another classified secret, I gather.
Maybe you got it, Gnome even emphasized it.
Re: Dec 18, 2006, 01:37pm PST
Author:
G_Gnome
Boulder climber
From: Sick Midget Land Nature said ' LEB - I'm well aware of that fact. '
Now THAT is a great response. I promise to River you one less time next time we play just for that response.
But opps, here you come
Re: Dec 18, 2006, 02:25pm PST
Author:
LEB
climber
From: Glen Gardner Well, far be it from me to ask something as outrageous or patently obvious as how nature came to become something as ordinary and common place as a sushi chef. Why just the other day I asked someone if she could put on a pot of coffee in the office and she responded that she never learned how to make something as complex as coffee but that she was a whiz at preparing sushi.
and
Re: Dec 18, 2006, 05:18pm PST
Author:
LEB
climber
From: Glen Gardner G_G,
Right! Like there is going to be a lot of information on the net, in libraries, and other places on the ST poster who goes by the name of nature. While your comment may well apply to other settings, I hardly see it as apropos in the context we are discussing.
Re: Dec 18, 2006, 05:27pm PST
Author:
nature
climber
From: Flagstaff, AZ maybe there is the info on the net already. maybe (this is a clue, LEB) it's somewhere on my sushi website! Maybe it's not a secret at all.
I'll take the odds on the point...errr.. i mean... LEB-troll asking where my website is. Yes, I know, five is not a field number, sir.
He's still not being super rude and he says it's on his site.
Re: Dec 18, 2006, 05:43pm PST
Author:
LEB
climber
From: Glen Gardner nature,
uh - here is a little clue for you - it is called "typical ordinary conversation."
PS. I am sure I COULD, indeed, spend a good deal of time researching the web so as to locate your particular website and then going through it carefully gleaning the information in question becomes "Why bother?"
If I would have to go through that much effort to get the answer to a simple question which transpires countless times in everday social interactions between people, then who cares? If you are rude and hostile enough to react in the way you have to a simple question of sincere interest about you and your sushi business, then who the f cares about the answer. Not me, for sure.
Excuse me for living, Jack, and showing a sincere interest in you and/or your talents. Rest assured it won't happen again.
Nature doesn't respond, but you're soon back with...
Re: Dec 18, 2006, 06:31pm PST
Author:
LEB
climber
From: Glen Gardner locker,
He is being a rude prick. I asked him a perfectly innocent question because I had a sincere interest in his (unusual) talents and how he came by them......and he responds with that snotty answer. Well f___ him and the horse he rode in on. If he is going to be that rude to someone who shows an honest interest in him, then who cares about the answer, anyway. There was no "troll" behind that question. It was reasonable enough.
Seems to me Lois, you were first to resort to profanity and name calling there. Takes two to tango sometimes.
Only then does Nature let you have it.
Re: Dec 18, 2006, 07:06pm PST
Author:
nature
climber
From: Flagstaff, AZ "rude prick"
uh... first LEB F*#K, YOU VERY MUCH.
no, that wasn't my intent.
second - here's a clue for you - long ago i decided I care not to engage you in "typical ordinary conversation".
I saw you ask the question the first time - I ignored it. Same for the second time. Why you might wonder? Couple reasons. It has been my observation that you are an attention-whore. You care about what you write and how people respond but nothing else. I don't appreciate your presence on this site (though realize full well it's a free *cough* world and there is nothing I can do except ignore).
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See Lois, You didn't take the hint.
Peace
Karl
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John Moosie
climber
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Dec 19, 2006 - 10:42pm PT
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HI Lois,
I would like to understand something. From what I have read, you have suggested to people that if they didn't like reading your posts, then they should ignore them. Natue chose to ignore you and you persisted long enough to get a snide response from him.
You then felt free to call him a prick.
On your thread about John Kerry, you blatantly say they Karl should keep his emotions in check if he wants to post. Thereby insinuating that Karl is emotional and can not keep a level head.
Wild Bill starts a thread, and admittedly he calls you a jackass, so you chose to ignore that thread. It is too bad, because he makes an otherwise valid point asking why you do not hammer the republicans the same way that you hammer John Kerry. Actually, I probably should not ask that particular question as you have made it abudantly clear that you just do not like the man.
On your thread about John Kerry, you backhandly join with Woody when he calls most everyone else crazy.
So I want to understand something. Is is okay in your book to be rude to others, but it isn't okay for them to be rude back? Because if that is the way that it is, then I just want it to be clear.
Personally, I think that you owe nature an apology. You hijacked a beautiful thread and did not have the intellect to know when to back off. He has in the past made it clear that he does not care for your post, so why would you pester him.
Oh, and just so you know. I think that turd gave up, not because he lost to you, but because he realized it was hopeless in trying to get you to see yourself clearly.
No one here has ever said it was wrong to ask questions. They just think it is wrong to ask questions and not take the time to study the answers given. It shows disrespect.
Do you ever see yourself Lois? I am not hereby saying that you are a terrible person. I happen to respect the job that you do. I also agree with Karl, if someone here has a medical question, then you are a good source to go to. I just wonder if you ever see yourself.
So how about it Lois, is it okay for you to be rude, but not others? Can you not see how you have been rude?
I started to join in with turd, but I found that I do not have the heart for that kind of talk. So you win. You are more willfull then others. Big deal. What did it get you?
Sincerely,
John
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turd
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Dec 19, 2006 - 10:54pm PT
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Did you just say, "It is not worth all this discussion?"
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anachronism
Big Wall climber
Yosemite, CA
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Dec 19, 2006 - 10:56pm PT
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Well LEB, fair enough. That you did not know I was nature until Werner pointed it out simply reiterates my stance - you pay more attention to yourself and what you type than to what's going on around you. IT was made blantantly clear during the MM outing and you missed it (and it was clearly presented and right in front of you).
Now, I'll buy that you probably had some clue turd was playing a game with you. I seriously doubt you knew the scope of that game from the get-go. Nothing you say will change my mind or a host of many others on the opinion. There's no way to prove it one way or the other - that you played the "typical LEB response" card to perfection makes it difficult to believe that you had it all figured out. There are nuances to that "game" that you missed. It probably didn't matter to you either way so long as you were the center of attention (which you time and time again show that's where you care to be).
I really don't believe #1 from above. That makes this whole thing far more disturbing to me. Again, you pointed out in another thread you'd rather annoy us than your husband. And you talk about making alliances. I never wanted to offend you, just ignore you. You've called me all sorts of names now (and you pretty much started it - see Karl's post [thanks Karl]). I had no intent of making an enemy of you. Though, nor do i have any interest in making a friend. I will now go about my biz ignoring you if you don't mind.
John - Wow. Excellent post. I constantly find the folks around here have the ability to say things a lot better than I.
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anachronism
Big Wall climber
Yosemite, CA
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Dec 19, 2006 - 11:04pm PT
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LEB - I think Karl just showed you. I suspect you'll miss it though....
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John Moosie
climber
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Dec 19, 2006 - 11:11pm PT
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Hi Lois,
Perhaps that is the basic attitude that will keep the Middle East messed up.
"But Moommm.......He did it first"
And perhaps you are ignoring your own rudeness. What ticks you off in others, is often something that you need to work on.
Spiritual books define it as removing the beam from your own eye before you try to remove the speck from anothers.
Rudeness ticks you off. Perhaps you need to look and see how you have been rude.
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turd
climber
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Dec 19, 2006 - 11:17pm PT
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Well, I certainly hope we are still friends.
Ouch!
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John Moosie
climber
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Dec 19, 2006 - 11:30pm PT
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HI Lois,
"his rudeness was totally unacceptable and he truly needs to learn that."
So how acceptable is your rudeness? ie.. not really paying attention to the answers given you.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 19, 2006 - 11:30pm PT
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Lois wrote
"At least you and (I) are still speaking and not passing "like two ships in the night" - nice imagery wouldn't you say?"
Good thing you and Turd are still buddies or you'd be like two shi.......
Ok I won't go there. I just can't resist sometimes.
I think our bone of contention about rudeness came from how directly rude it was for Nature to say that he was aware he hadn't answered you. Some times I feel like in your responses to me, that you are projecting an emotional component that isn't there, and this may or may not have been the case. It could have seemed even ruder if he had said
"Lois, I'm afraid you are going to Hijack my thread, but here is your link to my sushi info"
You would have likely came back with a long post all about Sushi or a follow up from the site or why you didn't want to read it from his site. Either way his thread turns to raw fish. (maybe better for business) Maybe Nature can't cook?
But that's life. We get primed to be angry with someone and then anything can be a match to start the flames.
peace
Karl
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anachronism
Big Wall climber
Yosemite, CA
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Dec 20, 2006 - 12:03am PT
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LEB - I will accept your appology. Don't take this wrong - though I apologize to a certain degree to you, I can't apologize for everything. I don't like calling people names so I do take back those words. AT the same time I can't ignore that which I believe gets obviously ignored - ignoring you from the get-go I cannot apologize for.
I seriously doubt i will ignore you entirely. Little of what you have to say intersts me but every once and a while there has been, and probably will be, value. There's a good chance I will miss it as for the most part when you've posted I skip your words. One never knows what the future holds though. thanks for the well wishing though..
Again, I'll give you credit to being aware of the game but as has been exemplified, you do seem to miss things here and there. There's no doubt you missed some things. Oh well, that game is over.
Ouch/turd, I'm glad to see you and LEB are still friends. Did you ever get that pict of her off of her site? Apparently not seeing as how it's never been enhanced ('round these parts).
Karl - I can cook. You should try this vegan banana bread I just made. Or the vegan peanut butter cookies from last night.
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turd
climber
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Dec 20, 2006 - 12:04am PT
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Ask Ouch!
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Ouch!
climber
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Dec 20, 2006 - 04:26am PT
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You mean the picture where she dislocated her shoulder?
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