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Bushman
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The state of quantum flux
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Feb 28, 2017 - 10:50am PT
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This argument becomes less about the overall effect on the quality of life in California if you deport every illegal immigrant, and more about the character of a person based on the color of their skin when you talk about drunk driving stats. being greater in documented workers. It's a pretty ugly argument from that POV.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 28, 2017 - 11:11am PT
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Edbannister made the above spurious and unverifiable claim, asserting (without identifing who they are) that the information is being suppressed.
How is a claim both spurious (false) and unverifiable (not susceptible to be being proved or disproved)?
Hmmmmmmm
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 28, 2017 - 11:22am PT
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DO you think Mister White Guy is going to do that work for minimum wage?
a little racist comment don't you think?
I've worked in the fields it's not that hard..
maybe all those Obama phone users can start with working in the fields.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 28, 2017 - 11:33am PT
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I've worked in the fields it's not that hard..
maybe all those Obama phone users can start with working in the fields.
Maybe we'll see you in the fields, you know, to keep the prices down.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Feb 28, 2017 - 11:36am PT
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Not that hard...
When you're 20
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 28, 2017 - 11:41am PT
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it's not that hard
That's what she said...
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c wilmot
climber
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Feb 28, 2017 - 11:54am PT
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Feb 28, 2017 - 09:58am PT
The study locker cited does not refute the claim that hispanics drive drunk at higher rates
The study he cited showed hispanics abstained from drinking alcohol at higher rates. when it got to drinking three or more drinks a day-a level that could result being legally drunk while driving- it showed hispanics consume three or more drinks a day at higher rates than whites. Of corse that still does not prove hispanics drive drunk more frequently.
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Gotta love it...
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 28, 2017 - 11:54am PT
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PAPERS!
It would seem your papers are not in order.......
Are they targeting known illegal felons or shaking down large groups of brownish people for papers?
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Feb 28, 2017 - 11:55am PT
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California without...
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 28, 2017 - 12:20pm PT
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"Of corse that still does not prove hispanics drive drunk more frequently."...
Exactly and STILL LOVING IT!!!...
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Like a fuking box of ROCKS...
Wait a second--didn't someone link to a government study that "proved" that hispanics drink and drive at a significantly higher rate than their counterparts?
(I put "prove" in quotes as all of these studies have to make some assumptions, have imperfect data, etc.)
I don't have any particular ax to grind on this one--I'm just wondering who is the box of rocks.
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Gorgeous George
Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
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Feb 28, 2017 - 12:21pm PT
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"There are 1.8 million convicted felons still here illegally. lots more with already adjudicated removal orders."
Really due, that's why people are so up in arms about this sh#t, all the misinformation being propagated by people who believe anything that supports their point of view.
About 90% of the undocumented people being released from prison are transferred directly to ICE who then deports them without fanfare.
Citing anectdotes like Jamiel Shaw's Father completely skews the whole issue. The guy that killed his son came to the U.S. when he was 3 y/o. He learned his criminal behavior on the streets of L.A.
I hope you don't mind paying $25 a pound for your tomatoes.
jg
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Feb 28, 2017 - 12:23pm PT
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"Our community is threatened by GOP attacks on thousands of ___ County residents whose only “crime” is having no documentation. You might ignore this, saying “well, I’ve got documentation.” But when hundreds of business-owners in the valley cannot find experienced agricultural workers, our tax base will suffer.
When health-care and construction workers have been forced into hiding, that means a trickle-down, reducing food and fuel sales and rent receipts…serious blows to our fragile economy.
xxx, our GOP state senator, and xxxx (xxx District xxx state representative) and xxx (County District xxx state representative) are responsible for whether or not CO hurts our families and our economy. Please let them know to oppose legislation that criminalizes the lives of our undocumented neighbors."
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Cragar
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MSLA - MT
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Feb 28, 2017 - 12:24pm PT
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My first job and high school summer jobs were either in the sheds or fields of the S. San Joaquin valley. Plums, grapes, onions and potatoes were the crops and from what I remember the only white folks out there were myself and 1 or 2 of my friends. I loved it when I was young, a great chance to up my Spanish skills, trade sandwiches for tasty mexi-treats, meet cool hard working families and maybe go to a Sunday dance or 2. Funny thing though, the only folks you'd see were Mexican families. I'm sure there were other young dudes like my friends and me here and there but all I saw were Mexican families.
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Gorgeous George
Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
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Feb 28, 2017 - 12:28pm PT
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Also, its not that the work in the fields is that hard, its that the pay is miserable, and nobody wants to break their back for less than minimum wage.
I worked the onions in Colorado during college. Came home sick from breathing dirt and fumes every day, threw up often, and couldn't do anything but sleep until I had to get up at daybreak and do it again. One of the best lessons of my entire LIFE.
Have you ever seen the lines of Americans looking for jobs in the fields? There aren't any, even though the jobs are plentiful.
jg
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Feb 28, 2017 - 01:28pm PT
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Our community is threatened by GOP attacks on thousands of ___ County residents whose only “crime” is having no documentation. You might ignore this, saying “well, I’ve got documentation.” But when hundreds of business-owners in the valley cannot find experienced agricultural workers, our tax base will suffer.
When health-care and construction workers have been forced into hiding, that means a trickle-down, reducing food and fuel sales and rent receipts…serious blows to our fragile economy.
Pure ignorance. ^^^
To believe that the State of California AND it's economy would benefit more from having illegal aliens here than it would without, is propaganda at best.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Feb 28, 2017 - 01:30pm PT
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You might note, pud, that my comment was about Colorado. CO being different than CA. Are you a native speaker?
From a family member this morning: "...attended the HAP (Hispanic Affairs Project) meeting last night. Almost all were families: abuelas holding babies, moms w toddlers, dads, grandfathers. People smiling, murmuring, playing quietly with the kids. RB, BGW and I were the only anglo folks. One and half hour meeting was led by two Dreamer women. The purpose? To explain how the undocumented parents could give POA to someone to care for their children if/when they are deported.
Even worse was the fact that if the parent was gone for more than 182 days, the person with the POA could make any and all decisions about the kid - even if the parent somehow got back. After 182 days, the kid has to stay in Colorado unless a court rules otherwise."
Family values party my ass.
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c wilmot
climber
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Feb 28, 2017 - 01:36pm PT
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They put their own family at risk. And they reduce wages and increase job competition for legal workers. Those construction jobs you speak of? The industry has been decimated and good paying jobs lost because of illegal competition. Under the current left wing idea of "family values" we should not punish any criminal- for putting them in prison breaks up their families....
At what point does it stop? The excuse of "breaking up families" will be used until our laws are enforced. And yes those laws need to be enforced among the employers hiring them.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Feb 28, 2017 - 01:38pm PT
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happy to hear that you have a definition of "left wing values" wilmot.
yours is different than mine.
"Under the current left wing idea of "family values" we should not punish any criminal" I disagree with you wilmot.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Feb 28, 2017 - 01:42pm PT
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How is a claim both spurious (false) and unverifiable (not susceptible to be being proved or disproved)?
Hmmmmmmm
If you could read and understand, you would see that there are at least two separate parts to the claims presented.
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c wilmot
climber
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Feb 28, 2017 - 01:46pm PT
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So you only want laws enforced and families broken up when laws are broken by US citizens? Where is the empathy ?
Boo boo- they choose to risk it and can deal with the consequences. Just like everyone else who chooses to flaunt the law
We don't need a de facto slave workforce to exploit
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