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Lollie
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I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2016 - 02:02pm PT
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Rape.
•44% of victims are under age 18
•80% are under age 30
•Every 107 seconds, another sexual assault occurs
•There is an average of 293,000 instances (victims age 12 or older) of sexual assault each year,
•68% of sexual assaults are not reported to the police
•98% of rapists will never spend a day in jail
•Approximately 4/5 of assaults are committed by someone known to the victim
•47% of rapists are a friend or acquaintance
•1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime. Among all victims, about nine out of ten are female.
Look at those numbers. "Victims age 12 and older." Imagine your 13 year old little daughter... she's a girl. Only 2% of the rapists go to jail. ''
•100% of completed rapes, 39% of attempted rapes, and 17% of sexual assaults against females result in injured victims.
•33% of victims sustain minor physical injuries (bruises and chipped teeth).
•5% of victims sustain major injuries (broken bones and gunshot wounds).
•61% of victims sustain undetermined injuries. (Read gynecological injuries, mental injuries)
You want more facts about the sordid aspects of inequality? Not about shoes and tampoons etc. There's still a long way to go.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2016 - 03:07pm PT
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rbord, I don't have the answer.
I think it's originally male expressions. What man would use a woman's bodypart to describe himself?
Grow some balls - if a man doesn't have any balls, he's an eunuch, he lacks manliness, produces no testosterone. But that doesn't necessarily mean he'd be a coward, would it now?
In British English there's "Don't be so wet" means "for goodness sake get a grip on yourself, pull your socks up and stop acting so pathetic". I.e. stop behaving like a jellyfish and show some backbone.
I also believe the pussy expression is later. Urban Dictionary says "Note: when referring to someone as a "pussy" cowardly meaning is derived from def.2 as in "scaredy cat". Calling someone a "Vagina" does not make sense. Calling someone a "scaredy cat" does. Common miscommunication that results in A LOT of angered women."
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Purdah: empowerment, oppression, or protection?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purdah#Purdah_as_oppression
Women drivers, well, Shirley Mudowney earned my respect long ago, for one.
Violette has stopped by for a chat about her "chatte."Violette Morris has a story that you couldn’t make up if you tried. Simply stated, it’s just unbelievable.
Born the niece of French General Gouraud, Violette Morris was a naturally gifted and strong athlete who excelled at sports. She was an accomplished boxer who regularly competed against and beat men.
Morris also went on to become a cycling champion, later graduating to riding motorcyles and racing cars.
She was so committed to auto racing that she actually had an elective double mastectomy (yes, she had her breasts removed!) so she’d be more comfortable behind the wheeled of the tight-fitting cyclecars she raced back in the 1920s. Wow.
During WWII when France was occupied by the Nazis in the 40s, Morris joined the Parisian Gestapo and worked with the notoriously brutal “rue Lauriston” interrogation squad.
In 1944, while she was traveling with military colleagues by car from Normandy back to Paris, the French Resistance bombed Morris’ vehicle, killing her along with everyone else. Yup, she definitely lived life to the full and died with her boots on.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Thanks Lollie!
I think that this believing stuff is tricky! :-) Are we held hostage to antique prejudices that are a result of our evolved (psychological) differences, or are our sexist prejudices in belief and behavior a newer learned psychological tendency that's enforced by social hegemony? And even if there are evolved innate (psychological) differences, how much can and should those differences be enforced versus overcome by new learned beliefs and behaviors that work better towards our (individual and collective) advantage?
So while we might be OK developing a heuristic that Swedes are more fun, we might not be so well off to develop a heuristic that women are better parents, even if we're willing to cultivate a belief that they're better at planning parties and dressing fashionably.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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How do percentages of women supported by their husbands or boyfriends look compared to the opposite?
Definitely skewed to males being supported if we're to believe all those cracks about finding some chick at Curry to live off of while spending seasons in Yosemite BITD.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Definitely skewed to males being supported if we're to believe all those cracks about finding some chick at Curry to live off of while spending seasons in Yosemite BITD WTF does this mean1?!
Sorry but women abound for men pleasure.. Do ur job suck a nut.
I'm waiting for the FIRST NHL women Zamboni Driver..
There are lots and lots of cases of women bringing false charges of abuse and rape against men and succeeding in convicting them Kevin welcome to SPORTS and High paid Pro Athletes soon to Become..
all the time at the rink I work at.. just had a similar case where a figure skater and a ice hockey player went to court she claimed RAPE judge claimed FALSE it only stunted his growth he went on.. stupid BITCH..
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even the shape of WOMEN mannequin turns me on.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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And I once had a random guy walk up to me on the street and grab my breast while he said "Have a nice day!"
I've also woken in the middle of the night, when I was in high school, because one of my brother's friends had crawled into my bed.
Then there's the old man who had his weiner hanging out of his fly on the subway and showed it to me. I lost count of the number of men who stood behind me on a crowded subway and pushed themselves against my ass.
Had a guy who started a friendly conversation with me in Central Park whisper "I could rape you right here and nobody would even know."
What's your point?
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Norton
Social climber
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Pyro said
Sorry but women abound for men pleasure.. Do ur job suck a nut.
wow, you really are all of 14 aren't you Pyro?
expect to graduate from high school this time around?
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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I simply couldn't resist.
I preface with the fact that I only read the last 3 pages, and the very first.
My answer to the OP is that the statement hasn't changed yet. Change takes a concerted effort and hasn't taken place to the degree in which to change that particular association.
Amongst my social circles and work "balls" implies disgusting. I pushed this. When someone complains about something crappy (car towed, rained out, spilled beer, etc), I respond with "wow, that's balls man, sweaty cheesy balls in your face. sorry to hear that". Just today, I decided to test it out when someone asked my opinion on a design. I said "this is Balls!" in a positive upbeat voice and the designer said "oh man, balls? I was hoping it'd be good..." :) Change made! :)
For Vagina and pussy, I make the same concerted effort to change the implications. "that doesn't sound like pussy! That sounds like wimpy" and the people around me adjust their language. People use 'wimp sauce' around me when they used to use "pussy". I like to think they like it better.
Society, especially American society, hasn't found the equality between men and women that both sides are happy with. That means that change has to be implemented by the people who are unhappy with the situation. Where we are is better than where women were 10, 15, 50, 100 years ago because people made an effort to effect change. I'm hoping that in 20 years, things will be even 'better' because people right now are working toward change.
I don't believe things are equal yet, but I'm sexist.
We each do our part to instigate change where we feel it's important. No point in being wimp sauce about it. Anyone can be objectified, anyone can have their boundaries crossed and violated. Yes, it'd be great if this never happened, and that's what those who want change are working for.
A woman wants 'equality'? Then be better than equal, and that's what it's going to take. It's going to be tough because changing the world is tough. An inspired woman is rarely deterred by tough. Anyone can be objectified, anyone can have their boundaries crossed and violated. Yes, it'd be great if this never happened, and that's what those who want change are working for.
I will say that my favorite quote so far is The wage inequality between men and women in the oral sex trade are a huge problem
From everything I hear and experience, this is as result of men giving it out for free because they get off on the whole experience. As such, they are fine with undercutting the market rate ;) Sluts all of you! No, slut is not a gender specific label.
Men definitely look better shirtless! That's the TRUTH, not perspective!
my 2p
Cheers
LS
ps - a great example of something I believe is relegated to being 'woman thing' is that it's ALWAYS funny seeing a man suffering due to trauma to their balls et al. I'm giggling right now just thinking of it!
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2016 - 05:57pm PT
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The Warbler, I apologise for writing that you don't have a clue.
First, those income differences are within comparative jobs. And groups of works. Why do you assume a woman does a less job than a man?
There are typical male jobs and female jobs, and that's also much a result of gender culture. The scarcity of men in nursing is probably as large as the scarcity in your line of work. And I'm pretty sure there's a lot of men who love children and gladly would work with them, but in many places that's still considered odd. And considered as too lowly paid.
Second, crimes against women is very much equality issues. They make up a huge part of it. They affect women's lives, both on a daily basis, and on a totally upheaving scale.
Safety issues. Every day things. Like to be able to walk home from the bus at night without fear of being raped or assaulted. It's disabling.
Battering is a big reason to as to why women become homeless. There are too few woman shelters where they can stay with one's children when fleeing from domestic violence.
When I was young, it was an almost all male environment in my field. I was usually the only woman and youngest, and in charge. I know every bloody trick of male intimidation at a building site. They found out it was a bad idea. Nowadays it's mixed, both at the offices and at the sites. Everybody finds that better, it makes for a more fun and enjoyable work. And they have discovered that what one doesn't have in strength, one can make up for with technique. Kinda like climbing, you know.
Back then, I also discovered that a guy, a former classmate, was much more paid than I was, even though I delivered twice as he did. When I confronted them about it, the answers was very vague as to why. I did as I always do, voted with my feet. Things have changed a lot, and it's a result of an ongoing work towards equality. I hope my daughters and their generation will reap from that evolution of the society.
I'm convinced that both men and women will benefit from a greater equality, both at work and at home. And have more fun in the process.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2016 - 06:00pm PT
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To portray women as the only victims where sex crimes are concerned is sexist.
Hehe. I knew it would come. That was why I made sure the numbers included men.
:-D
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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If it makes you feel any better, happy, I would have ... I wasn't really talking to you happy Huh?
I think dragging crimes against women into it ... fouls the philosophical debate on feminism. Not really following that one either. Like dragging unequal police brutality into it has fouled our debate on racism, because it's equally traumatic for the white police officers to get accused of beating black people? I think it only muddies the debate if you like to see it clearly a different way.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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ps - a great example of something I believe is relegated to being 'woman thing' is that it's ALWAYS funny seeing a man suffering due to trauma to their balls et al. I'm giggling right now just thinking of it!
I'm giggling how UGLY u and Some other women LOOK..
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2016 - 06:16pm PT
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Men definitely look better shirtless! That's the TRUTH, not perspective!
Are you sure?
:-D
I deleted that photo, don't want to look at it.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2016 - 06:21pm PT
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pyro, are you drunk again?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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I wasn't really talking to you, happy, but to pyro. Just sayin' there are different kinds of sex crimes against men.
hear ya BRO!
I personally had a female tenant threaten to charge me with sexual harassment in the context of a disagreement over her security deposit. Never touched her or said anything inappropriate to her, and she came to the door nearly naked 3 times during her 6 mo tenancy, when she knew it was me.
Kevin this is the KEY part
when she knew it was me
pyro, are you drunk again?
can u put me too sleep? LOLLIE
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2016 - 06:38pm PT
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can u put me too sleep? LOLLIE I'm going to put myself to sleep. :-)
I'm 9 hours ahead of you.
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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Men do look better shirtless than women.
I'm a straight woman who doesn't find women sexually attractive. This does mean that in a strict sense, I'm not equal to any man. I am however just as capable to objectifying men as men are capable of objectifying women. I probably enjoy it more though :)
Regarding crimes against women, I think it's begins because of the perception by male assailants that women are 'easier' victims. I hear that men in prison (and some sports teams) can often face similar issues of assault because assailants perceive them as victims.
In this world, criminals will go for the easier target, man or woman I'd think. I know of men who have been attacked, assaulted, and raped, while I don't remember the last time anyone, man or woman, groped me uninvited. Is this because people perceive me as a man and therefore not a victim? It's probably because I'm too ugly.
To be honest, I don't really care. I'm just glad not to have my boundaries violated.
Women shouldn't automatically be perceived as the easier target. Why are they? Because although we have come a long way in showing that women are not always the easiest target for criminals, the automatic victim, the struggle is not over.
Rah rah and all that sauce...
:)
2p
Cheers
LS
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Okay girls bought some UGG RAINBOOTS..
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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I realized while driving that I had better words for what I think regarding women and crime.
Anyone can be a victim. It's just most men need to have this reality of society pounded into them (usually more than once).
Nope, not equal yet, but it's ok. I think the strong women of this era, like the strong women of the past, aren't afraid of effort involved in pounding the changes they want into stubborn brains.
On a practical note, I had no idea there was a tax break on tampoons! That's pretty sweet!
Cheers
LS
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