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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 26, 2015 - 12:37pm PT
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Jun 26, 2015 - 12:37pm PT
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Is meat browning the same as ATM???
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Jun 26, 2015 - 12:39pm PT
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I thought meat browning was God's loophole
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 26, 2015 - 01:01pm PT
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Wow! What a great week for democracy and what a bad one for the, wrong side of history, right wing holdouts.
The Supreme Court, despite being stacked with three loonies, sent down four rulings that helped keep us from sliding into the Christian Caliphate pit the right wing is trying mightily to pull us into.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jun 26, 2015 - 01:03pm PT
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Yup, Jim, it's a
good day for the country.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jun 26, 2015 - 01:09pm PT
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RIcky,
YUP, I had missed Huckleberry's rantings.
My bad.
I really can't wait for the Republitard campaign season to start. With this field of loonies it's going to be beer, popcorn and the TV news for me every night.
Better than Seinfeld reruns for certain. Although George and Kramer would fit into this crowd nicely.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 26, 2015 - 01:15pm PT
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Kos, that's a great response.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 26, 2015 - 01:16pm PT
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Someone in an earlier post praised Huckleberry for not being a coward. The list of bigoted, wrong minded people who did great harm and who weren't cowards is long...very long.
Perhaps, if they had been cowards the world would be a better place.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 26, 2015 - 01:19pm PT
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Now Larry Craig can quit stalling and run for congress again...
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 26, 2015 - 01:21pm PT
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I guess my point was, it could of so easily been 4-5
Scalia and Thomas are far from being unbiased, and completely corrupt when it comes to moneyed interests
They are always a big no when it comes to anything liberal.
But there is long history of Conservative judges being problematic when it comes to civil rights and sticking up for the people
There is great new book on the subject
Injustices: The Supreme Court's History of Comforting the Comfortable and Afflicting the Afflicted
Hardcover – March 24, 2015
by Ian Millhiser
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 26, 2015 - 01:21pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 26, 2015 - 01:22pm PT
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yes Johnny
he be tapping and stalling....all with a Wide Stance
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jun 26, 2015 - 01:27pm PT
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The Supreme Court cannot "rewrite" any law.
They can declare a law unconstitutional, making it null and void in any court in America.
They can nullify parts of a law or an entire law and recommend to Congress ways in which they can fix it.
Congress cannot overrule a Supreme Court decision. They can try to rewrite or make laws to get around the decision. Neither can the President except he can't write any law.
It's called Separation of Powers and is pretty easy to understand. Yes, the lines between branches of government are constantly being tested. In the end SCOTUS has the last say. Except as Dingus says The People can propose and ratify a Constitutional Amendment.
Not exactly The People, rather their elected representatives.
We could have avoided the question of gay marriage by ratifying the Equal Rights Amendment in the 70's. The Religious Right was just beginning to have real clout and not enough states ratified it. Even worse several states later rescinded their ratification. That Great Patriot Phyllis Schlafly had everyone on the run.
California has had an equal rights clause since 1879 although it doesn't mention marriage.
A person may not be disqualified from entering or pursuing a business, profession, vocation, or employment because of sex, race, creed, color, or national or ethnic origin. California Constitution, Article I, §8 (1879) Utah is somewhat better. It conforms to today's SCOTUS decision.
The rights of citizens of the State of Utah to vote and hold office shall not be denied or abridged on account of sex. Both male and female citizens of this State shall enjoy all civil, political and religious rights and privileges. Utah Constitution, Article IV, §1 (1896) Unfortunately Utaaahhhhrrr was one of the states to not ratify the US Equal Rights Amendment.
By the way, the ERA isn't dead yet. Like a Zombie it will come back.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 26, 2015 - 01:28pm PT
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Larry Craig was a regular at the gay call service in DC,
according to court documents from the person who ran the service.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 26, 2015 - 01:47pm PT
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If we don't like this decision...
To be clear I already said I support this decision 100%.
We'll just have to disagree about the power vested in SCOTUS. One player changing the outcome of a basketball game just does not rise to the level of a single Justice having the power to create law for the entire nation.
It's great when, like this decision, we favor the outcome. But Citizens United was a 5-4 vote as well. And this decision has seriously impacted our electoral process. Is someone going to begin the amendment process to reverse this boondoggle?
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hellroaring
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Jun 26, 2015 - 01:52pm PT
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Just in time for Pride Weekend here in SF! There's gonna be a party in the City tonight!!
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 26, 2015 - 01:53pm PT
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Odd. Werner has been strangely silent on this issue.
lol!
yeah, equating a "law" from his pretend friend in the sky to one of the most simple laws of physics. Makers perfect sense he's got a seat in the clown car.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 26, 2015 - 02:01pm PT
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It's great when, like this decision, we favor the outcome. But Citizens United was a 5-4 vote as well. And this decision has seriously impacted our electoral process. Is someone going to begin the amendment process to reverse this boondoggle?
very good point, especially the Citizens decision
however as has been pointed out, there is a fairly simple way to change the decision
Congress can write a new law changing the language of the old law
right now Congress can do that
but with republicans in control of both the House and Senate, not gonna happen
Republicans actually like CU, it allows massive campaign support from fewer sources
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 26, 2015 - 02:07pm PT
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The Supreme Court cannot "rewrite" any law.
Someone must not have been following the news very closely this week, where the Court in effect rewrote "established by the state" to mean "established by the state or federal government."
Maybe that's for the best and the decision wasn't a surprise to anyone (certainly not to me), but that's about as clear a case of rewriting as we'll ever see.
And lots of people would just love to see the Court rewrite "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" to be something like "the right of the armed forces to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
And the Court will likely do that in time.
Remember the Court can and does "overrule" itself: anyone remember good ol' Bowers v. Hardwick? Back when I was in law school, that was the supreme law of the land. (The name Hardwick was relatively easy to remember, in context.)
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 26, 2015 - 02:10pm PT
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Major victories for Obama and his legacy this week, like it or not the man is changing America and in my view for the better.
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