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TradIsGood
Fun-loving climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Oct 18, 2006 - 11:36pm PT
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Could be wrong end of binoculars. hope so, sort of.
But you could just look at the TGreene posts like I did.
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Jello
Social climber
No Ut
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Oct 19, 2006 - 12:04am PT
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Werner-
Body the source of all misery? I guess maybe. But wasn't it a source of great joy when you were at the peak of physical magic? Flowing like an ascending thinking segment of liquid crystal brook up Astroman?
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 19, 2006 - 12:44am PT
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No no Jeff
Only your soul can enjoy. The car does not enjoy, only the driver. If the car (vehicle/body) becomes defective, the driver, due to false identification of thinking it is the car becomes unhappy/miserable.
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Anastasia
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Oct 19, 2006 - 12:49am PT
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I think it is important for climbers to be a community. It is important that we help each other out in times of need. Climbing is more than a sport, it is a way of life. That is the difference between being just a bunch of typical sports enthusiast and being something more powerful and significant... "We are climbers."
I say let's put differences aside and do what is right.
Example, just think that the rope is the symbol of climbing, it links us together. We belay each other. We rescue each other in times of need. It doesn't matter who the rope belongs to, it's there for all of us.
I hope many of you feel the same. I hate to be the only one walking around with this belief.
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Jello
Social climber
No Ut
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Oct 19, 2006 - 01:00am PT
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But Werner, my body HAS become defective. I'm still happy, and I guess it's my soul that enjoys the memories of what it was like when the body worked (earthly) miracles on behalf of the driver. In any case, I know what you mean. In my clumsy analogy, the soul is the "liquid crystal brook".
Cheers,
-Jeff
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Jello
Social climber
No Ut
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Oct 19, 2006 - 01:09am PT
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Anastasia- I'm with you completely.
-Jeff
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 19, 2006 - 01:18am PT
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"It doesn't matter who the rope belongs to, it's there for all of us."
I like that, just as a tree does not object to whom stands under it for relief. It accepts anyone.
This whole story and incident with John and Tim is a strange twist of fate.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 19, 2006 - 08:51am PT
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"A tree does not object to who stands under it for relief"
Huh?
How do YOU know. Werner, maybe you ARE an ent. What's it gonna do about it anyway? Piss back? LOL
Jeez
I think I'm gonna be sick. Start the fundraiser.
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goatboy smellz
climber
boulder county
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Oct 19, 2006 - 09:09am PT
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Being one without any insurance, we can only rely on our own good judgment and friends to take care of us.
"Flowing like an ascending thinking segment of liquid crystal brook up Astroman?"
damno Jeff, good stuff!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Oct 19, 2006 - 02:02pm PT
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This is an uncomfortable turn of events and I think it puts everyone involved on the spot. I know that John and others close to this situation have expressed beliefs that the gesture is made in good will and with best intentions, but I think there is too much silence from the general population who donated funds to the original cause to assume that the majority are in agreement that this is totally kosher.
I think people just don't know what to say, or feel crappy about the feelings that are coming up when confronted with this. I think they are afraid to step forward and say how they feel, but maybe I am wrong. I would like nothing more than to have posts coming in to tell me so.
As for myself - I wish John to have continueing recovery, resuming a life far beyond where his wildest dreams have taken him so far. And I wish Tim the best of luck in pursuing health as well; that this will be a short term problem for him.
But I cannot be true to myself in staying quiet, even in the face of such criticism as I may receieve.
I think a better tact might be taken to provide a separation of the current fund and donations for Tim's medical issue. This could be done simply by stating "For Tim" in the "Note" section that is included in the payment on the JB Fund site. I would be happy to donate a small amount to his cause if this were the case, and will do so this evening if there is some discussion that this might be a way to go. But I just feel it is not right to have solicited a campaign and then requested to draw personally from it. Believe me, I have been in dire straits myself; have had to sell personal effects to support my financial imbalances, have had to endure extreme discomfort in the face of being unable to finance emergencies that have arisen, have done without medical care due to my own lack of insurance. I am not a person speaking from a position of comfort.
I understand that the discussion was made that a fund for climber's emergency expenses be established, and that Tim's emergency comes with unfortunate time, but it is my feeling that starting that fund in this current condition is not a healthy thing for the fund's future.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 19, 2006 - 02:16pm PT
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Got to agree with Happi.
I wish John a full recovery, and same for Tim. I still plan on taking him up a wall.
But I would not be the forthright person I am if I did not mention a whiff of impropriety.
EDIT; I have no problem with funds going to help Tim, but I do think that things could have been done a bit more openly. I'm concerned with this putting a damper on future appeals.
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roslyn
Trad climber
washington
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Oct 19, 2006 - 02:34pm PT
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It is an akward situation, especially since tim posted a statment from Bachar and did not address this situation himself.
good post happie
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Moof
Trad climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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Oct 19, 2006 - 02:48pm PT
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I kicked in a little for JB. If JB gives it a thumbs up, then I'm 100% OK with it going to TG. If another fund is setup for TG, or for Generic Climber X, I'll chip in again. It ranks up there with the other two climbing charities I've donated to (not including friends, who are a cause in themselves).
I think the whole thing is a reminder we should all do our best to keep our health coverage up during good and bad times. Bare bones coverage ain't that expensive.
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Raoul
climber
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Oct 19, 2006 - 06:01pm PT
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TG's always in a desperate way. i wouldn't trust the phucker as far as I could throw his sorry white ass. john writes a letter and can't post it himself?
I smell bullshit and some creative word-smithing.
How to catch a thief should be the title of this thread.
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burp
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Oct 19, 2006 - 07:08pm PT
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Howdy!
Any word on what date the drawing may be tentatively rescheduled to? As a goal?
burp
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maldaly
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 19, 2006 - 07:37pm PT
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When I talked to Tim yesterday he confirmed that the drawing would be this Saturday. I'll confirm tomorrow and post.
Mal
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bob d'antonio
climber
boulder, co
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Oct 19, 2006 - 07:44pm PT
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I donated several guidebooks and guide service in Northern New Mexico.
The winner can choose three different (mountain biking, climbing and hiking) guidebooks from the fourteen that are available.
The winner can google my name to get to the books and choose the ones that they want. E-mail me and I will send them out.
Hope this all works out for everyone.
Later, Bob
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kin
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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Oct 19, 2006 - 09:23pm PT
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Tim,
While I don't know you personally, I've been touched by your positive energy and demonstrated generosity. Your call to action in the wake of John, Steve and Anastasia's accident is exemplary and I am grateful to you for your efforts to not only help John during his time of need, but also to show the climbing community an uplifting and positive response to a tragic event.
I think it's wonderful that the JB Recovery Fund and the Steve Karafa, Jr. Memorial funds are able to help you after all the incredible things you've done for them and the climbing community.
All best wishes to you for a complete recovery,
Kin
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Oct 19, 2006 - 11:19pm PT
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Rawdrool seems like a pleasant enough chap. I sure hope he never finds himself in a similar situation and needs cash/help.
Really folks, Tim needs a hand. He certainly went out of his way to Help John & company out. Now he needs a hand, John's OK with it. I don't see any problem here. We are a small community, it not like some ENRON scandal for godsake, relax.
I know that when my wife was sick and we were financialy screwed, people from the local climbing community did all sorts of things to help us out. Giving us money, food, work, etc. I sure know how much we appreciated it.
Robert
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
Sacramento, CA
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Oct 19, 2006 - 11:25pm PT
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Happie, good post
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