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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Ron, I've seen and participated in military exercises well beyond anything you ever did in the forest service, trust me.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Who amongst our military personnel are willing, as a unit, to stage an attack on our own soil and act against their fellow citizens?
How far up the chain of command do such actions originate?
How in the name of God could such a seditious plot be concealed from the public, indeed from military officers sworn to protect the Constitution... the same type of officers who later join groups such as the Oath Keepers?
Find a link that explains that Ron.
When things go so far south that the military acts against its own citizenry, things have gone far wrong, and typically such actions come only as either a direct precursor or a result of opposing political leadership within the military itself and some sort of attempted military coup for power and leadership. There are NO signs of such impending actions.
Go ask some of our acting service men and women what they think of this theory. Try it. Post up the results, pro AND con, and let us know.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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I don't have any idea but the lame excuse of "plumbing problems" might put the owners in a better position when it comes to layoffs and such. Here if the store closes for site issues or health risks they don't have to pay severance and are less likely to be sued successfully by any ex-employees.
But really... six stores out of how many across the country? Seems like a non-story really.
But then again, I believed the MSM line on 9/11 for years too.... Takes me awhile sometimes :) "They hated us for our freedoms"... Yep I believed that at one point... smh...
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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Jade Helm sounds like a porn actress.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Kent State was a single, localized event. Procedure has been changed to prevent that from recurring, has it not? Care to discuss Katrina while we're at it?
You're talking about NATIONAL military misconduct. Find me 5% of our active military that thinks this is even REMOTELY possible, and I'll consider it a possibility.
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jonnyrig
climber
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And again, how are we to react should this prove true?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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Looks like a Chinaman (can you say that?) at the wheel.
Somebody has be drivin' this thing.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Don't worry jonny, Cliven Bundy will be there to turn back the govt once again!
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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This is direct from that bastion of LibTard reality The Atlantic.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/05/is-the-pentagon-messing-with-texas/392390/
Texas has the rare distinction among U.S. states of having been, for a decade in the 19th century, its own nation. That history of independence, that lingering pride of sovereignty, has never really left the state, and every so often it arouses a certain suspicion of outside forces—be it Mexicans, ISIS fighters, or most frequently, the federal government. So when the U.S. military announced plans to hold an eight-week joint exercise it called Operation Jade Helm 15 in Texas and five other western states this summer, the people of Bastrop County quickly—and with the help of radio host Alex Jones and Infowars.com—saw it for what it really was: a preparation for the military to impose martial law in the Lone Star State.
It got to the point where the Army sent Lieutenant Colonel Mark Lastoria to brief residents of Bastrop—which is about 30 miles east of Austin—at a community meeting last month. The briefing did not go well. "We just want to hone our skills," Lastoria told the citizens, according to a clip of the meeting posted by the Austin American-Statesman. "We just need to get back to the basics and make sure we review on soldiers, our special operators, in all of their core tasks, and this exercise will help do that." He said the military was "invested in everybody's personal rights and their privacy." When one Bastrop resident spoke up to oppose the exercise and referred to it as "a martial-law program," the packed room cheered.
Lastoria tried to win the crowd back with an appeal to patriotism and pride in the military:
I would just ask everybody not to mix apples and pumpkins, ok? Let's do it that way.
This institution right here has been around for over 240 years. I have transition in this uniform, various shades of it, under five presidents—all of it peacefully. You may have issues with the federal government. You may have issues with the administration. So be it. But this institution has been with you for over 240 years. Period.
Some in the crowd applauded, but not everyone was convinced. When Lastoria explicitly told one man that the exercise was "not a preparation for martial law," the skeptical Texan (who was holding a dictionary the size of a small child) replied: "That's what you say."
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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This is serious man, less words more photos! Dinky dau.
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philo
Trad climber
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jonnyrig
climber
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I think you need to concentrate on finding indisputable proof of these conspiracies.
I think you need to keep your eyes open to the possibility that this is NOT some clandestine martial law initiative.
I think in most cases simple explanations are more likely to be true, even though they do NOT support theories of some ulterior motive of the U.S. military.
I think laws such as the Patriot Act and NDAA came from government POLITICIANS, not military, as a direct result of a paranoid populace willing to sacrifice their rights for some illusion of safety. You get what you vote for.
And lastly, I think in localized events and individual interactions it is possible, as frequently demonstrated, for certain individuals or limited groups of individuals to betray our trust and carry out illegal acts of aggression and rights violations due to extreme circumstances and/or individual moral failings.
We know that some government entities DO carry out improper actions, as evidenced by the occasional illumination of such things, which generally DO come to light because of the actions of concerned citizens within those agencies who are committed to uphold our freedoms and indeed our constitution. Then those people are generally held accountable for their actions in some way or another. To propose that such a large-scale imposition of martial law could be underway without spoken opposition by a variety of outspoken individuals within those organizations is unlikely to say the least.
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philo
Trad climber
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^^^ what a buzz kill.
And after I found myself hoping it was real and that the SpecOps dudes would channel their inner Mongolian and get all Genghis on the "hostiles".
In fact I heard that insiders are really referring to this exercise as the Great Red Neck Round-up and Rodeo.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Ron, c'mon. Are there wackos in the military? Yes, but luckily they're
O-6's and above, so there's only so much harm they can do. If they ordered
the troops to attack the citizenry I have no doubt they would get fragged.
IMHO the biggest problem in the military are the gang members as well as
the worst gang - the O-7's and above in the Pentagon.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Isn't it interesting that only right wingers nutters come up with these crazy conspiracy theories. Bleeding heart liberals could concoct some crazy theories of their own, but they do not.
With the proliferation of private militias, tea bagging seniors, a gun industry that has bought off congress, the agenda should be obvious. Damn, I am freaking myself out now.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Thanks Timid for a level of sanity into this, yet another of Ron's tirades into the realm of who gives- a-f*#k Ron?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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This oughta clarify at least some of it. However, it still looks like dire straights for me along with Utah and Tejas. Should I warm up the flame thrower now.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Y'all should probably take this stuff seriously, as it's this kind of theory, and any subsequent incidents, that are likely to start the actual exchange of gunfire.
Which side am I on today? The gun nuts, or the libtards? Damn... sometimes actually trying to think can give one a headache.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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That's actually a very good point jr. One of a very few on this thread.
Ruby (not the little dog) Ridge.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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It's just a big troll.
Have fun with it.
No one is stupid enough to believe in this.
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