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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Mixed feelings about this.
Assholes screeching at each other can ruin a thread, no question about that. But whether it is better to dump the thread or dump the as#@&%es is an interesting problem.
There are subjects other than climbing that climbers want to discuss, and on many of those subjects we have differences of opinion. So is it better to agree that we will never discuss those subjects, because if we try to, the usual as#@&%es will show up and start spewing sh#t? Or is it better to kick out the as#@&%es?
i've always thought the latter was the right answer, but this thread-freezing idea may give us a way to test what works and what doesn't. Is it possible to have an online political discussion that doesn't degenerate into poo-flinging? I guess we can now find out. Same for religion, or guns or healthcare or...
Bottom line though, is that a forum that allows nothing other than climbing content will soon wither away.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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well this thread ran to 102 posts in a hurry.
Chris, given other distasteful options I think you've made a wise choice. Banning thoroughly rude people seemed not only futile but infantile and contrary to the whole spirit of the WWW. Which I'm sure is why you've always been so hesitant to do it.
We'll see how it goes.
Here's to civil discourse!
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Chris, I hope that you understand the danger of this approach.
The main asset of a forum is its community.
You are probably aware that many forums (including somewhat related summitpost) were essentially killed by heavy handed moderation of well wishing moderators.
For example I never opened threads about republicans or guns, but I am concerned that closing them may force some people away thus diminishing energy of this community.
If I am offended by some topics or people I just skip them without paying more attention.
Departure of The Chief was one of the first steps of Summitpost to oblivion.
Is Supertopo heading in the same direction?
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Good one, Locker!!!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Perhaps CMac is hoping to draw in a younger demographic. We could use an infusion.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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I'm thinking it's more along the lines of wanting the ASSholes to quit being such aSsholes...
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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I don't care for personal attacks, but I agree with those who say you will take away some of the essence of the place through more moderation. If you insist on using it, make it as light a touch as possible.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Perhaps CMac is hoping to draw in a younger demographic.
My TR-writing here has gone way down since my trips got less report-worthy. Perhaps that creeping decline has snuck up on a few others here as well.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Chiloe, exactly. But not just that......each generation has so much to offer and it's a blast to learn and stay in touch with the whole world ....not just mine.
I love living with my son and his wife and kids. Last election they gave me new insights into Monsanto, global warming and much more. And Seth at his worst off the couch climbing is still pretty dang good. And, he knows where the secret bouldering spot is. Need I say more?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Perhaps CMac is hoping to draw in a younger demographic. We could use an infusion.
I would think yes!
I personally have had more problems with baby boomers than the older generations of climbers.
me thinks some guys have to use supertopo to boost the ego.. I on the other hand love to meet new people..
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Boy, I'm away from ST for a day and the rules change. CMac, this is your forum, so I generally support your decisions. I strongly agree that "freezing" beats banning and deleting all posts.
My heart, however, is with Werner, Ed, Chiloe and all the rest who express concerns about, essentially, throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I've learned a very great deal from both on- and off-topic discussions here, but even that misses my real concern.
The climbers I started climbing with had a certain tolerance - or even preference for - anarchy, over regimentation. When I began climbing in the mid-1960's climbing seemed to me a perfect sport for misfits and true nonconformists. To date, this website, almost alone among climbing websites, hosted discussions that rang true - to me, at least - to the sorts of campfire rants I enjoyed so many years ago.
I will watch with great interest to see how this policy change works out. While I hope it gives us a forum with a much higher signal-to-noise ratio, I hope it doesn't simply produce fewer signals.
John
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Might want to rethink your post above as they're pretty much one in the same...
ive met climbers who are aged 70 to 80 that are rad and nice unlike the dudes who in their 50 to 60years... hows that lucker!
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Fish Finder
climber
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Freezing a few handful of large ugly non climbing threads that the owner thinks isnt serving his needs is so very acceptable
do you know the band width they take up here
with all the links
it will cause posters to second think the topics they are droning on that really should be discussed at other forums
Yes , everything I post is important to me, i dont post climbing things
I know I should though
Posters
just look at the 900 lb Gorrila in the room
its those huge threads that a handful of "ass hats" get on and fuel the spirits of the intelligent
you wanna rate clouds
got to the f'n weather channel.com
you wanna talk politics
go to foxnews.com
you wanna talk religion
go to christian mingle.com
nobody's personalities or thoughts or ideas are being crushed by this new move
Check yourself
before you wreck yourself
and for Christ sake
just be happy your here
Thanks again Chris
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Whatever personality traits people have they likely peak in the fifties when energy is still high and a lifetime of validation is in play.
By the 70's and 80's the fires have banked and the smoke has settled allowing a clearer view of the fact that it didn't matter that much after all.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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I tend to ignore anything posted by locker. I suggest everyone do the same.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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I am sorry that some wonderful, mature, and contained people will be deprived of their discussion. Hopefully, as enough threads get shut down, reasonable behavior will rule.
Then, I will be able to click on the off topic links more often to witness reasoned, intelligent conversation.
It's kind of like when the Law came to the Wild West. The rabble rousers rebelled but the majority of the people were happy to be able to go about their business peaceably.
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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries. Be off, silly wipers of other people's bottoms or I will be forced to taunt you a second time.
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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I tend to ignore anything posted by locker. I suggest everyone do the same.
now that's just wrong
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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BRING ME A SHRUBBERY.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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I think Ed Hartouni had a point about an important non-climbing thread getting shut down, but....
Hopefully, the freezing of threads that get ugly WILL help people to curb a taste for the acerbic. Nobody will want to be the idiot who got the thread frozen(let's hope), and so they will temper their tempers.
The climate thread topic can be reopened as a new thread, with a link to the frozen one, to continue the conversation. The same can be done with any thread which gets frozen. Eventually, we as a group may actually change out habits of posting angry and ugly spew. certainly most should be able to contain themselves.
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