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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 11, 2014 - 09:14pm PT
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I really appreciate it when Mighty Hiker visits us from Outside the Asylum.
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Dec 11, 2014 - 09:27pm PT
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Eric's idea of limiting all posters to say 20/day is also worth considering
Locker's head would blow completely off
Why do you hate Locker
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Dec 11, 2014 - 09:36pm PT
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Chris, I am 100 percent in favor of NO CHANGE. We’re a special community that has formed inadvertently, thanks to you.
There is no other website or place that offers the “campfire” approach where anyone is allowed to talk about anything, but knowing we’re that all are just a bunch of climbers, and nothing more. With this, Supertopo has soul. Don’t go to some scrubbed forum about climbing only. After all, those of us that hung out with the Greats know that only a small fraction of our discussions or commonalities had to do with climbing. Yeah, we share climbing stories and tips, and sometimes boast; but, at the end of the day, we’re often only just another face that steps into the light or smoke at the valley campfire gathering.
I like this place and I like that it exists for me to drop by anytime to meet up with my friends to tell our favorite climbing or mountaineering stories, or debate about today’s world topics. That’s what makes Supertopo what it is.
To change this site significantly would be a great loss to many, and a wet blanket on the climber’s campfire.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Dec 11, 2014 - 10:04pm PT
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The Chief is worried he might lose his trolling pot 'o gold.
What will you do then?
:-)
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redrocker
climber
NV
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Dec 11, 2014 - 10:49pm PT
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 11, 2014 - 02:48pm PT
Does the inherent partisan nature of the topic simply beg people to fall into name calling and personal attacks?
Yes.
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 11, 2014 - 02:48pm PT
(which is the worst of the forum from many people's point of view, mine included).
Mine included as well.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Dec 12, 2014 - 12:28am PT
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it's just that this is who we are. not a crowd known
for coloring in little boxes. regrettable-embraceable us.
we've been wearing down the wardens since before fences.
may we continue to range widely, with a tender regard for context,
that we post in a combustible, shared world not of our own making.
so like, decorum up the place already
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 12, 2014 - 12:47am PT
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As per the original question posted:
Yesterday.
Tomorrow, even more so.
Don't change anything. People must voluntarily relinquish that desire to belittle their fellow humans.
It's not your fault, but it is your problem if you have a business that supports more than just your whims.
I'm not sure I would want to be in your shoes right now as regards this forum. no matter what you do or not do is bound to diss someone in this often unruly crowd.
Good luck.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 12, 2014 - 02:08am PT
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"right now- 16 of the front page 30 topics are OT."
Ron's post earlier
It's now 14 of 30. But what is off topic? It's different for each of us. That should be readily apparent.
I don't care what the front page looks like, particularly. I know where to find the new threads which I have missed after I've been gone a spell; and it's the same with the ones to which I mostly post.
Political threads, shooting threads, those which turn into hate fests, I've learned not to accept them into my upper room, my safe mind, where "I" dwell. Peace of mind is easy if you keep out the noise and the stink.
I see no need to go to a second tab, either, as Vegas Climber suggests, and others in the past, as well. But do what you gotta do, CMac.
I've not seen another post from you commenting on all the commentary, and I don't expect to see one.
CMac is the master troll.
Who else's OT topic could get such front page attention in so short a span of time?
And you left out a question mark in the last question, Chris, which may have been Freudian, because a slight restructuring of the sentence/question makes it a statement of fact, thus:
Does...the inherent partisan nature of the topic simply beg[s] people to fall into name calling and personal attacks (which is the worst of the forum from many people's point of view, mine included).
Answer, just for the record:
It's a no-brainer and obvious to the most n00b visitor after a few sessions on the board. It's why they are labeled "politards" when posters post to those threads, and why they are labeled "gun nuts" when posters post to gun threads or related topics. Etc.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Dec 12, 2014 - 03:44am PT
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Do to the current extreme inflammatory danger, no climbers campfires are allowed.
There will be a sanctioned book burning tonight.
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Bill Mc Kirgan
Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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Dec 12, 2014 - 04:13am PT
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--edit-- in true ST style I have not readanyof the preceeding posts!!!!11
If there were a vote...
I would vote for a daily post-limit.
The worst OT offenders post continually.
I would also vote for one user account per person.
The user can choose to be an actual named person or a nickname, but they will have one ST account.
Sure, it'd be easy to get around new rules like these, but the offenders would be violating the user agreement and subject to getting deleted.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Dec 12, 2014 - 04:53am PT
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Keep the bar room style of post anything here, but make one change.
The change I suggest is to give the O[off]T[topic] threads [deciding what is OT is a problem in it's self] less cue priority.
All on topic threads will be moved to the of the top of the cue after each new post.
All off topic threads will get position 5 on the second page [or some other number[ some random number between 5 & 12]] when a new post is made and force the previous nearest off topic post to be more than 5 posts below the newest.
This priority cueing will clean up the front page and others pages to look more on topic.
Priority posting deserves a try. It is a bookeepping scheme for deception. Priority posting will make off topic threads harder to start since they are not noticed as easily.
Chris will have final say in what is Off Topic.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 12, 2014 - 05:06am PT
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Civility and decorum
Would enhance our Taco forum
If we only used our brains...
OZ is not OT,
it's a climb in Tuolumne.
--Book of the Dun Crow
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John Mac
Trad climber
Littleton, CO
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Dec 12, 2014 - 05:41am PT
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Have two views or tabs, one climbing and OT. A lot of really good climbing content disappears from the front page too quickly and then it gets lost.
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pinckbrown
Trad climber
Lake Tahoe, CA
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Dec 12, 2014 - 06:16am PT
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Out of 132 posts, 37 posts were from peeps that had already posted! Those 37 additional posts were from 22 posters! You can barely be heard over all the yelling at the campfire from the same posters.
Bob Pinckney
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Dec 12, 2014 - 06:52am PT
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Who cares I am going climbing at the warmest Wyoming climbing destination tomorrow. DT
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Dec 12, 2014 - 06:53am PT
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OT from the OP, but why isn't that chick in DMT's post wearing a helmet?
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Dec 12, 2014 - 07:32am PT
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Mike M,
if so I will see you at the Red Grotto Wall in Guernsey State Park. Temp Sat = 59F. It is likely to be warmer.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Dec 12, 2014 - 07:34am PT
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Dave Kos,
okay Let's have Priority Queuing.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Dec 12, 2014 - 07:56am PT
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The OT threads and the nasty repartee DO add a substantial amount of click-throughs for the site. Which is good for advertising revenue.
I guess it is up to CMAC to decide what it is he wants the site to be like. Make the decision, make the announcement, and then hire a couple of people(or get reliable volunteers) who will follow through on THAT agenda.
I am still for a segregated on/off topic forum, though I do see the points others are making. Perhaps the OT tab would be placed IN the main Climbers Forum. So, navigation would be Supertopo.com>Forum>Off Topic>Thread du Jour, for those who want to read/post OT. One line for those who want to see only climbing threads, innocuous in appearance and easily enough ignored. And easy to find for the many(myself included) who ead and post in the OT's. It wouldn't reduce the traffic for ST, so important to revenue and index ranking. And nobody would really be able to complain about wading through the morass to find legitimate content.
I would also not mind seeing people who cannot seem to control the impulse to be an ass get booted. 1 form response warning, then 1 1-day ban, then a 30 day ban, then perma ban.
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