Crass Sexisim in Route Names

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clinker

Trad climber

Santa Cruz, California

Nov 19, 2014 - 06:32am PT

The solution.

Spider Savage

Mountain climber

The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles

Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2014 - 06:46am PT

Fat Dad's distinction was an interesting one...where do you fall on that?

Fad Dad understands exactly what I'm talking about. And I see that you do too. Thank you for helping.

As you two know, I'm not talking about the very creative names that are "PG."

Spider Savage

Mountain climber

The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles

Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2014 - 06:57am PT

I don't know if you're talking to me Locker, but some routes I've named:

Eat or Be Eaten
Goldline
Skyline
Hyperion
Aenea
Endimion
Tethy's

Climbing areas/walls named:

Hyperion Slab
Pangea Wall
Trenchtown
Temple of Ishtar

Words from liturature, history, science, etc.

So many great ways to say things. If route authors stop and think a little, they'd find a better way to say it.

kpinwalla2

Social climber

Nov 19, 2014 - 07:21am PT

Here's a great one:

"My Dixie Wrecked" - looks totally harmless in a guidebook. If someone accuses you of being crass or vulgar, tell them that "Dixie" was the pet name for your favorite car and they have a dirty mind!

kev

climber

A pile of dirt.

Nov 19, 2014 - 08:35am PT

Savage, while all route names I've been involved with have a story associated with them, I think this whole idea that one should censor their route names "for the children and wives" is lame. One it's free speech, (as is your call for censorship) but more importantly it reeks of the opinion of someone that's becoming an old curmudgeon. Nothing personal meant by that actually, just pointing out what I see.

What's next no swearing at crags?

Can't drink a beer at the base?

What about girls with clothing you might find inappropriate - is that okay at the crag?

It's bad enough that people want a bolt every 2 inches now.

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climber

north fork

Nov 19, 2014 - 08:36am PT

Here's some of my route names.

Unnamed
Unnamed
Unnamed
Partner named it something
Unnamed
Unnamed.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Nov 19, 2014 - 08:39am PT

Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA

Nov 18, 2014 - 11:47am PT
"Again folks, since some of you are misinterpreting the gist of this thread, Spider was talking about "crass sexism", not mere sexual references. That seems obvious but clearly not to many of you. For example, all the Valley climbs someone posted up thread, not what he was talking about based on my reading of his post. Same thing with the route someone mentioned, "Feminine Protection". However, the poorly named "Black Chicks in Heat" at the ORG probably hits the nail on the head (in addition to being just downright offensive)."

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climber

north fork

Nov 19, 2014 - 08:43am PT

Kev's post above is a lot better than that apogee.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Nov 19, 2014 - 08:46am PT

I get where kev is coming from in the first part of his post, but slippery slope arguments are lame, tji.

kev

climber

A pile of dirt.

Nov 19, 2014 - 09:02am PT

LMAO - Apogee, not meant as a slippery slope argument. What is the difference between Savage suggesting no crass sexist names for routes and some one suggesting that a book shouldn't be in a library?

Since when is it my problem (hint: read the rest as comedic sarcasm) to worry about all the breeders children and your apparently cloistered wives?

EDIT: this has been a really great thread though.

EDIT PART DEUX: and i've got nothing against Savage. I REALLY had pegged this as a troll until he started commenting on the thread recently.

wallyvirginia

Trad climber

Stockholm, Sweden

Nov 19, 2014 - 09:05am PT

If you think the issue is about a few route names that are offensive, that just goes to show how ignorant you are.

I feel with spider on this because I have two beautiful children growing up and I'm seeing the world through their eyes. And it pisses me off that everywhere, in this society that us grown ups have created, there are these constant reminders that, above anything else, men are horny animals and women are sexually objectified potential conquests.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

kev

climber

A pile of dirt.

Nov 19, 2014 - 09:06am PT

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Translation "if I don't do what you want or agree with you I am the enemy"

WOW HOW TOLERANT YOU ARE OF OTHERS

wallyvirginia

Trad climber

Stockholm, Sweden

Nov 19, 2014 - 09:17am PT

Are you familiar with looking at a problem as an iceberg? Say sexual harassment, for example.

One incident of sexual harassment is the tip of the iceberg, what's visible above the water line. The rest of the iceberg is also part of the incident, just not as obvious. It's what's leading up to the incident, like naming a route some sexist crap, for instance. Accepting attitudes plays a part..