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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Oct 29, 2014 - 10:11am PT
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 29, 2014 - 11:38am PT
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Oct 29, 2014 - 01:55pm PT
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I don't generally read the political/religious threads to know if Khanom is an ass in that area, but in all the stuff I tend to read, he seems like a stand-up guy and definitely makes this forum more valuable for me to visit.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Oct 29, 2014 - 02:34pm PT
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LAhiker
Nice contribution, a note of sanity. Pretty silent up there at the top end?
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 29, 2014 - 04:51pm PT
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
Oct 29, 2014 - 08:29am PT
AHEM! I shall now pontificate upon this issue.
The climbing partnership is ultimately about trust. It's one reason we, many of us as strangers, have some inherent bond. The ST staff has violated that trust.
Comparing a google algorithm that scans for keyword purposes, with no human attached, with RJ's "I'll snoop when I get a notion", which is what "spot" checking actually means in this case, is so f*#king ridiculous that it's LOL-MacEnroe territory (you CANNOT BE SERIOUS!). Yes, I am literally laughing at you for trying to float this lame ass "excuse" or justification. Take off your clown shoes and join the adult world...because nobody over the age of about 7 is buying that horsesh#t.
 always an opinion I can respect.
Agreed 100%
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Oct 29, 2014 - 05:37pm PT
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fapfapfapfapfapfap
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RJ Spurrier
SuperTopo staff member
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Oct 29, 2014 - 05:54pm PT
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Thank you all for your feedback on this topic.
It seems clear that there is a consensus on several points:
The idea that someone can look at member-to-member communications is creepy
Khanom may have been prickly in some of his posts, but overall his history was very positive in terms of his contributions
From This Day Forward Member-to-Member Communications are Private
We have disabled storing of member-to-member communications and deleted all prior records of member to member communications from our server.
From this day forward, no one but you and the person you send a message to will see your message.
This may come with a cost, in that it effectively eliminates our ability to monitor member-to-member communications for spam or abuse. That said, it seems clear the no moderation of member-to-member communications is preferred by most, and the alternative of members needing to provide us copies of abusive emails seems work-able in cases where inappropriate use of the feature is occurring.
I will note, that when Google says in their Gmail privacy policy, "We use the information we collect from all of our services... to protect Google and our users," that I don't think their current privacy policy for Gmail materially differs from our old member-to-member communication policy which was intended to be able to periodically monitor for, and respond to complaints about, inappropriate content. Neither do I believe Google guarantees anywhere that only automated algorithms will be allowed to see your Gmail content. My belief is that they have retained the same right we previously did, which is to do what they need to in order to protect their service from being used in an inappropriate manner. But, that point is moot, since we're no longer storing, monitoring, or reviewing in any way, member-to-member communications from this day forward. Member-to-member communications are now, completely, totally, private as far as we're involved. (And, BTW, I'm not trying to slam Google; I consider their policies to be very reasonable. I personally love Gmail and use it every day despite having read their privacy policy.)
Khanom's account
Chris and I will be meeting up this weekend, and we will review and evaluate both the technical and policy issues related to Khanom's account status in that meeting. I think a number of valid points have been made on this thread, and those will be taken into consideration. There are also real technical barriers to restoring deleted posts, the same issues we face with science v. religion, but we'll scope those out as well. Of course, Khanom may not prefer to return to the forum, even if his account is re-enabled, but that is a separate matter and he can make that decision himself.
Thanks again for your thoughtful feedback on this topic.
rj
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2014 - 06:00pm PT
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Thank you for your response. I really appreciate your new policy regarding the PMs.
Cheers!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 29, 2014 - 06:03pm PT
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RJ... didn't mean what i said about you and Chris...rj
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Oct 29, 2014 - 06:09pm PT
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+2 on the pm policy change.
thanks for the continued consideration and increased transparency, rj [and chris].
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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Oct 29, 2014 - 06:10pm PT
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Thanks for taking the time to consider and reconsider the environment you are trying to create here, RJ. The open responses from site management really change the atmosphere/ "look and feel" of SuperTopo for me.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Oct 29, 2014 - 06:29pm PT
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Noble response there RJ, situation defused and all on standby for policy evaluation and changes.
Sorry to yank your chain so hard.
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Guernica
climber
dark places
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Oct 29, 2014 - 06:30pm PT
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Excellent.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oct 29, 2014 - 06:31pm PT
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Wow, good post RJ.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:00am PT
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Khanom you pussy.
Get your ass back in here.
Your updates this summer on the fire thread were the bomb!
You need to keep us updated on the latest small independent farm life also.
Juicy carrots growing in the ground keeps Ducks happy and healthy.
That too was the bomb!
Please keep throwing us the "good" bombs .......
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:59am PT
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Geez folks, I've been reading through this thread and kept wanting to post a reply, but figured I keep reading...(big lesson there for me).
Nice job.
Eric, I'd be another one that would appreciate you sticking around, butt do what you have to do. RJ- you're a good man.
cheers...and Jan yeah, keep sharing your thoughts:-)
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Oct 30, 2014 - 11:38am PT
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Nice! Thank you, RJ.
For listening and acting upon it.
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