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John M
climber
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Oct 22, 2014 - 05:41pm PT
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good post granite climber..
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Oct 22, 2014 - 05:41pm PT
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CCT stop being some weird suckup and go elsewhere. CCT = LEB?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 22, 2014 - 05:42pm PT
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Chalk = Acrylic paint?
FALSE EQUIVALENCY
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 22, 2014 - 05:48pm PT
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Good thing she is hot, white and blonde . . . anyone else would have been shot dead.
A knee-jerk reaction, I realize. But still inappropriate. But then we've all posted crap like this. I posted to a FB page that they should bury the quote woman unquote under a rock she'd defaced. Oops, my bad.
It's really the same sort of thing my sophomore (yep, we were incensed and outraged) class friends said at lunch when just moments before we got the news from Dallas about JFK's murder.
Let the punishment fit the crime. Kalimon, accept it. You are dog-shit! :)
Maybe she's channeling this guy--a real artist with full permission and talent and patriotism. Who just happened to be responsible for creating a National Monument.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Oct 22, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
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CCT is bewildered, brow furroughed, hands wringing, a tear from a baby's eye. What ever will we do now that this poor thread has been vandalized? And what will become of Granite Climber?! Is his will to survive strong enough?
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Oct 22, 2014 - 05:58pm PT
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Hola Mouse . . . I was not insinuating that the woman should be shot. It was a comment based on the rampant use of deadly force against young black men in this country.
Peace out.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Oct 22, 2014 - 06:01pm PT
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A similar, much more isolated instance occured in Glen Canyon National Recreation Area sometime back. Here are some details:
http://www.grandcanyontrust.org/news/2011/01/rock-art-defacement-at-glen-canyon-nra-results-in-stiff-fine-for-criminal/
Rock art defacement at Glen Canyon NRA results in stiff fine for criminal (from the George Wright Society website)
An NPS concession employee came upon recent damage to a rock art panel below Glen Canyon Dam last June and reported it to a park interpretive ranger. The damage consisted of the name “TRENT” scratched into the panel. The interpretive ranger had visited and photographed the rock art, known as the Descending Sheep panel, less than an hour prior to the report, and had also observed a guided fishing trip on the beach near the panel.
This information was passed on to a law enforcement ranger working at Lee’s Ferry, who found the fishing guide at the boat ramp and asked if he had anyone on his trip by the name of “Trent.” After the guide pointed out his passengers, the ranger asked for Trent. Trenton Gainey of North Carolina responded and admitted to scratching his name into the rock. Gainey told the ranger he did it because he thought it would be “cool.”
On December 9th, Gainey pled guilty to one felony violation of the Archaeological Resource Protection Act in federal magistrate’s court and agreed to pay $10,000 in restitution to repair the damage he caused to the panel. He is scheduled for sentencing in the district court in Phoenix on March 14th. The investigation was conducted by NPS rangers, Glen Canyon cultural resources staff, and Investigative Service Branch investigators.
grandcanyontrust.org
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 22, 2014 - 06:26pm PT
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Wonder if she can draw unemployment...?
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Oct 22, 2014 - 06:28pm PT
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good story albatross. i look forward to hearing something similar for this loser.
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KabalaArch
Trad climber
Starlite, California
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Oct 22, 2014 - 06:40pm PT
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Thread drift-
To hold the notion that petroglyphs are, or were originally conceived as graffiti is to be both uneducated and unobservant.
Plenty of our contemporaries have tried to carve their names or initials into the face of the paleolithic, with jackknives or what have you. And the results look pretty feeble.
Imagine the creation of large and coherent panels of highly stylized iconography, working with tools no harder than the scant flint local resource – in such a manner as to endure, intact, for a minimum of 800 years.
One of these days I've a thread, with some fairly compelling photos, I'd really love to post for artists, the scientists, the desert climbers and aficionados among us here.
On a somewhat different note, chalk is not allowed by the land managers of Canyonlands NP (nor Arches, if memory serves). Nor are drilled or fixed anchors of any kind. There shall still remain some pretty sporty stuff for future generations.
“EZ Off” works to remove oil-based grafitto with minimal impact to granite and similar rock types. Acrylic polymers, I dunno.
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covelocos
Trad climber
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Oct 22, 2014 - 07:06pm PT
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just throwing it out there...some of the most ugly pieces of rock I have seen are covered in chalk. But climbers did it so its all good. As you were gents.
Art IS in the eye of the beholder.
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Crazy Bat
Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
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Oct 22, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
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There is a product called Graff-Off that works well on spray paint, Most can be removed with just the product and a pump sprayer.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Oct 22, 2014 - 07:38pm PT
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I just heard on NPR of a multi-agency investigation that is on-going regarding vandalism in the places posted here. Must be the same "artist", she's about to be forced fed a sh*t sandwich, we can only hope.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 22, 2014 - 07:43pm PT
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I bet that poor girl is now freaking out big time realizing what terrible mistake shes made by all the hate and violence comments against her.
She's kind-of a dumb unconscious blond to her actions.
But after this she'll probably wake up and have a much better understanding .......
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 22, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
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A bit of irony?
Yabo, whatcha think?
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Oct 22, 2014 - 07:50pm PT
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apple, meet orange.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Oct 22, 2014 - 08:04pm PT
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I do think that comparing ancient petroglyphs/pictographs to graffiti shows that the poster is uneducated, racist, or just stupid.
Seek out and punish this woman for defacing, and then bragging about defacing, pristine landscapes with her personal signature graffiti.
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krahmes
Social climber
Stumptown
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Oct 22, 2014 - 08:27pm PT
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I bet that poor girl is now freaking out big time realizing what terrible mistake shes made by all the hate and violence comments against her.
She's kind-of a dumb unconscious blond to her actions. When I checked her tumblr this afternoon it said something like, "I dun fukked up big time".
I don't condone her actions at all, but she was trying to create art and a legacy in the world as she understood it and fed in some part by the myth of the west.
The most cogent comment so far was this:
I live in a rap bolted glass house but I still hope the NPS busts her ass. Just my opinion but I've seen a lot of squeeze jobs, grid jobs, rap jobs in the middle of nowhere, and stupid rap jobs perpetuated by olding men seeking a legacy, drinking their own urine, and living in teepees; these have upset me far more than the misguided art of a young person trying to understand a screwed over world.
Leave no trace (such as you can) is still the best way or at least by my code.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 22, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
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One of my rap bolted routes had a drilled angle only 4 or 5m up the wall. When it was shown to a ranger he couldn't see the (camo painted) angle until someone with a cheater stick actually touched it for him.
No glass house here.
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