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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Give it another two weeks... If Lagos isn't stacking them like cordwood in the streets that should indicate this/these particular strains are not that virulent.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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stevep posted Try this blog for a halfway decent look by someone who actually knows what they are talking about:
http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2014/08/02/ebola-is-already-in-the-united-states/
This is true if a bit specious. For one, saying "it's already here!" is a little disingenuous when it's "here but in highly controlled labs" not being passed from person to person. Secondly, recent events have exposed lapses in even these types of laboratories which led anthrax to be sent to a children's hospital in 2004 and misplaced anthrax again just a few months ago.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/29/us-usa-anthrax-risks-insight-idUSKBN0F40DY20140629
The Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services, CDC's parent agency, in reports released in 2008 and 2010, documented a long list of issues. CDC labs working with the most dangerous agents did not always ensure the physical security of the pathogens or restrict access to them, and did not always ensure that personnel received required training.
Now I'm personally not worried about the current ebola outbreak turning into a Hollywood pandemic and I think it is vital that these Americans be brought home for treatment because they will have the best chances to survive and not doing so would discourage others from being willing to do service work in the developing world. However, this does not mean that there is zero risk in bringing these people back and a mild amount of concern is warranted...just not cynical "oh yeah that's a GREAT idea" levels of concern. There needs to be pressure on the CDC and HHS to ensure that these facilities are being audited and run competently.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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I agree.
Not a major risk, but when I hear Joe Blow on the news say that the CDC are the experts and know what they are doing then I have a one word response;
anthrax.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Anytime you touch any surface, millions of germs
potentially make the leap from that cold,
impenetrable plastic to your warm, porous hands
and from there to your eyes, nose or mouth,
and then the Ebola virus will begin amplification.
Turning your body into a virus factory.
Imagine something takes over a Tesla car factory
and Twinkies start coming out the door instead of e-cars.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Some idiot on CNN just said we could get hundreds of millions of deaths. Sorry, this just isn't that transmissible a virus. Since this latest outbreak started, both malaria and tuberculosis have killed more than 100,000 people. Try hard to keep things in perspective.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Perspective.....sorry, as you know, that goes completely out the window once the media gets hold of a juicy issue.
What we are being serverd up is "the polar vortex" of epedemics.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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The hysteria isn't completely unwarranted given the extreme death rate, the
inability to treat people adequately in Africa, and the fact that it is a
virus and all that entails in terms of adaptability in a short term.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Reilly...Monrovia , Liberia and the other Monrovia , Ca...Ebola outbreak...Inside info on outbreak....What else do you know...? Should we contact Chris Mac...? Come clean...rj
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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From the CDC:
What about ill Americans with Ebola who are being brought to the U.S. for treatment? How is CDC protecting the American public?
CDC has very well-established protocols in place to ensure the safe transport and care of patients with infectious diseases back to the United States. These procedures cover the entire process -- from patients leaving their bedside in a foreign country to their transport to an airport and boarding a non-commercial airplane equipped with a special transport isolation unit, to their arrival at a medical facility in the United States that is appropriately equipped and staffed to handle such cases. CDC’s role is to ensure that travel and hospitalization is done to minimize risk of spread of infection and to ensure that the American public is protected. Patients were evacuated in similar ways during SARS.
I would bet that many level 4 facilities have live Ebola for study. The only good thing about Ebola is that it is hard to transmit compared to something like Influenza.
The H1N1 virus looked like it was going to be far worse than it has so far been. It is highly transmissible.
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jstan
climber
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I have already taken action on Ebola. I am posting on ST at half my normal rate. If infection without substance is possible this will be an effective first step.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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CDC has very well-established protocols in place to ensure the safe transport and care of patients
Ok, lets take a look.
You can find all over the internet, pictures and video of the first patient arriving. What do we see? He is climbing off the back of a transport vehicle, scrambling off the bumper with the help of ONE person. You are telling me that it is part of the protocol to have people jump off the back of ambulances? What if he fell? Do you think that fancy isolation uniform would survive an impact with the cement? Do you think his skin would?
Most of you have been to a hospital, either yourself, or with a family member. Remember how they require you to enter and leave by a wheelchair??
That is so that people who are ill don't end up taking a header.
So what do they do???? They have him walk into the hospital.
So much for following protocols. Already they are broken.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Now consider this:
What happens if one of the healthcare workers at Emory comes down with Ebola?
You are the public health official in charge. What do you do?
Keep doing the (failed) things that you are doing?
Isolate that part of the hospital, as you track down every contact that person has had---grocery store, Starbucks, REI?
So you isolate the hospital? What do you imagine the people inside want to do? Massive police presence?
Do you close the city? The airports?
What do you do?
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overwatch
climber
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I am with you...the seedisease is always stepping on their dicks...but crankster says its cool
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thebravecowboy
climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
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wait, so we have knowingly imported zombies into the grand ol' republic of murica?
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overwatch
climber
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Seedisease...copyright Overwatch
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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This looks like just about every end-of-the-world-epidemic-or-zombie movie I've ever seen.
Just remember----they are following these "well established protocols"----or not.
But they apparently don't want you to ask questions.
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MisterE
climber
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Russ Walling nick-named me "Ebola Erik" after a diseased trip to Vegas with Nature when I spent three days in my van while they had fun.
It wasn't Ebola, ultimately - just food poisoning.
There have been worse nick-names from The Fish, however, so I feel somewhat fortunate...
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doc bs
Social climber
Northwest
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I am an MD.
I am glad the Atlanta research hospital is taking care of the sick Americans. I am sure the medevac was safe and contained the illness. They need to find out if we can save these people.
I AM worried about the VOLUNTEER TOURISTS. I AM worried about AIRPLANE travel.
It would be EASY for health care workers to contract E bola in a busy missionary clinic in Africa. Seeing hundreds of patient a day - coughing and snotting and bleeding, without masks and chux pads and antiseptic house cleaning supplies and separate exam rooms.
EVERYONE in my clinic is trained in universal precautions EVERY YEAR. We are getting special training AGAIN in the upcoming days again because of Ebola.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Why it will only get a lot worse in Liberia:
President Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf has called for three days of fasting and prayer as
"the ultimate solution" to the Enola crisis. That sounds more like the Final Solution.
Meanwhile, Nigerian authorities announced five new cases and two deaths.
A Saudi man who visited Sierra Leone and contracted Ebola has died in a Jidda hospital.
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jstan
climber
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Let's say the mortality rate is 90%. What might one do if feeling known symptoms? I would not go to a health center. That is where one would go if one wanted to contact the disease. Besides, at 90% mortality going there has little chance of helping.
People are self quarantining. Reasonable, and we read of bodies hidden in houses. Once the person has died, maybe burn the house? Those without houses get someone you know to leave the supplies you need out in some isolated spot. Go there and stay put the 21 days. Survivors just heap dirt on those who did not survive.
When we three boys had scarlet fever our mother stayed with us and dad lived in an out-building till it was over. We self-quarantined.
Edit:
jstan, yes, going to an African hospital might not be your best option.
But in a real hospital they can treat your symptoms and possibly save you.
I know of several elderly people who went to hospital and there soon died of pneumonia. A drug resistant strain generally found in hospitals. But, in the end we all end up fookin dead.
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