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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
sawatch choss
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Nov 14, 2014 - 08:38am PT
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Jay, care to explain that one?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 14, 2014 - 08:46am PT
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Rhodo, last Saturday after climbing "Beyer's crack" on Wall Street, I yanked a stuck rap rope hard enough to dislodge a grapefruit sized rock straight into my face.http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2525617/Three-Cheers-for-the-Ferretlegger
Total coincidence that it's a Beyer rte, but where would the taco be if we didn't do off topic digressions?
The guidebook description starts with "Not recommended"
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 14, 2014 - 02:25pm PT
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Don't look at me... I brought the Hop Rising and Jaminson, haha
It was Jeremy for sure!
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RP3
Big Wall climber
Twain Harte
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Nov 14, 2014 - 02:33pm PT
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Another hard-as-shit Jim Beyer creation! It was neat watching the El Cap Report while this was going on.
Gotta say, some of the commentary on the topo is a little unappreciated. I would like to have him tell me why, as a Jew, I am guilty of Zionist war crimes, even if I don't support the actions of Israel.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Nov 14, 2014 - 04:26pm PT
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Beyer is a Douche, RP3. Straight goods. Maybe he'll get hit by a train.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 14, 2014 - 04:50pm PT
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The comments on Beyer's topo make it clear that he's got the political intelligence of a tick, the same sense of fairness as a second-grade playground bully, and the integrity of a cockroach.
His climbing is irrelevant to these "qualities" as a human being.
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RP3
Big Wall climber
Twain Harte
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Nov 14, 2014 - 05:04pm PT
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Yup. It goes without saying that when I digitize that one, I will take some editorial liberties!
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 14, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
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Beyer is committing wall crimes. Ship him to the Hague.
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Levy
Big Wall climber
So Cal
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Nov 14, 2014 - 07:38pm PT
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As RP3 and others have mentioned, I too, was put off by Herr Beyer's apparent antisemitism. If you look at his topos posted on MP, linked above, there are a couple of notations on his topos that if made by a politician or a celebrity, that individual would be soon be making a public apology and begging for forgiveness.
Beyer sure needs his head examined.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 15, 2014 - 07:44am PT
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Well, he may be an awesome climber, and prolific and all that, but that doesn't mean he's not a dick of a human being. Lots of climbers are as#@&%es, just look around here. Being good doesn't get you a pass on being a decent human.
Chopping stuff on his own routes to make them unrepeatable, chopping stuff on routes nearby, hoping for the death of someone on one of his routes?
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Nov 15, 2014 - 08:54am PT
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PTPP go get the re establish ment started
bi error could never have achieved his outstanding feats of doom with out the early accomplishment (1947?)of the Zionist hoard that allows him his freedom and his
convictions?. Thank you Couchmaster for grabbing that and putting it here
To be fair If. I had a way back machine I would go back to the Ford/Carter era and talk Jim into
the special 'Special' forces that trained the Mu JA Hadim to fight in the then covert war against the USSR in Afganistan.
Hey pirate of course this terrifying thread brings you out of hiding look lest we forget that
Freedom , and adventure go hand in hand but as gumby (not his m.o.) says any one that was in ear shot heard the crazy .... well we all have our dark sides but toker is not far from the mark
Some of us I am sure would be willing to do belay time to re establish what bi error
(he is not a bro or a jimbo) has stripped and even take the sharp end to 'fix' his st00pid
death routes with strings of Modern Phat Bolt ladders that go at A I/2 easy Peasy
then bi error can go chop all our work and we can rinse and repeat.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Nov 15, 2014 - 09:01am PT
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Has anyone done Lost in America since he did it last year? I wonder what shape he left it in.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 15, 2014 - 09:51am PT
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Interesting double standard, where was all the taco outrage after a climber's kid put up a disparaging sign with swastikas outside my house?
The dad claims it was his "first constitutional right" and yet some of the BASE heroes on this forum continue to befriend this guy and patronize his shop.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of those expressing outrage on this thread have done the same.
At least a few people got on Batten's case when he called me jewboy.
I have to wonder if some of this anger towards the anti-semitic comments are perhaps displacement behavior having some origin in other unorthodox aspects of the Beyer phenomenon.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Nov 15, 2014 - 10:10am PT
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If you have a copy of Crusher Bartlett's Desert Towers (and if you don't you should buy it immediately), turn to p. 238. Crusher included a lot of first-person stories in the book, and the one on p. 238 is by Jim Beyer.
It is a hate-filled rant about women and gays, mixed in with a big dose of "I'm the hardest climber in the world and I can do whatever I want, not just on my own routes, but on anybody else's as well, and if you don't like it, go f*#k yourself."
I've never met the man, and having read that piece, I never want to.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 15, 2014 - 10:13am PT
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Stooopid wannabee utopian Americans!!!
There has to be a villain in every society.
Americans are nothing but dystopians ......
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Nov 15, 2014 - 10:25am PT
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2014 - 08:51am PT
"Judge not, that ye be not judged" Matthew 7: 1-3. Nuggets of truth can be found in even the poorest fiction.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 15, 2014 - 10:32am PT
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Just read Beyer's essay in Desert Towers.....yikes! I know Sally Moser and i doubt that she was.....a chic who melted down and started sobbing and crying uncontrollably.....to paraphrase the author.
He uses words like sophistry to denigrate others but then refers to himself as having strength, endurance and HUBRIS. Perhaps he wasn't aware of the definition.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Nov 15, 2014 - 11:01am PT
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If you have a copy of Crusher Bartlett's Desert Towers (and if you don't you should buy it immediately), turn to p. 238. Crusher included a lot of first-person stories in the book, and the one on p. 238 is by Jim Beyer.
It is a hate-filled rant about women and gays, mixed in with a big dose of "I'm the hardest climber in the world and I can do whatever I want, not just on my own routes, but on anybody else's as well, and if you don't like it, go f*#k yourself."
I've never met the man, and having read that piece, I never want to.
Yup. That's what I love about Beyer: He manages to reach the very edge of self-parody without quite going over that edge. He skirts that edge with rare skill. It's brave and is not calculated to make many friends.
I'm still uncertain as to how seriously he takes himself or any of his writing or climbing. Being so uncertain is maddening; never met anyone so hard to read. But, dammit, I find it fascinating, too.
Of course in person he's a fun, likable, regular guy. I've enjoyed all of the routes of his that I've done.
FWIW, I asked Sally about this essay and the meeting in question, before including the essay in the book. She was fine with it, had little recollection of the meeting at all.
EDIT: Perhaps instead of "Of course in person he's a fun, likable, regular guy" I should have written, "Of course in person I've always found him to be a fun, likable, regular guy." YMMV....
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Nov 15, 2014 - 11:09am PT
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Well, as you know, I think Desert Towers is one of the best climbing books ever written, so don't take my comments about Beyer's little piece as negative regarding your book.
He's obviously been a big player in the world of desert climbing, and while he comes across in his writing as a despicable misogynist, he's a part of the story.
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