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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Mar 28, 2014 - 04:01pm PT
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Moose, which opiates did they have you on?
Anita get options it will take you awhile to figure out what's best for you.
Can you ice maybe for swelling?
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Sanskara
climber
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Mar 28, 2014 - 04:02pm PT
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You gotta do what you gotta do clearly. Not trying to scare you or anything like that.
However you will understand f*#ked in a whole new light after you have become physically dependent on opiates!
Physical pain like that coupled with thinking you are loosing your f*#king mind hurts like no injury I have ever suffered.
Sh#t is no joke there's a reason why junkies are junkies. Most normal people don't have it in them to endure the pain it takes to detox off them.
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overwatch
climber
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Mar 28, 2014 - 04:36pm PT
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No offense and maybe it is just me but sanskara "sounds" like Rokjox
edit: good either way by me. It was more a style of posting thing, lets say an eagerness to share info
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Sanskara
climber
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Mar 28, 2014 - 04:58pm PT
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Not him.
Me below on Repentance in my back yard. Cathedral ledge NH. Kinda hard to miss me in my matching neon Mammut orange coat and blue pants. More pics and plenty of people to vouch for me ;)
Not sure why I don't want to be mistaken for RockJock but I just have this feeling I don't.
Sorry Rock
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Mar 28, 2014 - 05:01pm PT
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A few years ago, I was riding dirt bikes with my buddys dad in AZ when I ate sh#t into a cactus. My crotch and inner thighs took the brunt of it. There we were, 2 hours from camp, and there was no way in hell I could get back on the bike. Every movement I made my pants and boxers tugged on the needles. I tried to start pulling the needles out myself, but yeah that was no bueno. This crazy mo fo pulled out all those needles right there in the dirt with a pair of pliers. It was difficult for BOTH of us, as you can imagine but we laughed our way through it. Each and every one of those shitz was a demon sent from hell. Each one was like "ok are you ready? Yeah. F*#k. Go."
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Mar 28, 2014 - 05:04pm PT
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Sanskara, I believe you but one more test. Spell Cali and what are your views on wolves?
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Sanskara
climber
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Mar 28, 2014 - 05:05pm PT
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You spelt it for me.
And I say kill the f*#king ranchers!
Red neck f*#kers ;)
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Mar 28, 2014 - 05:12pm PT
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Yup he's cleared.
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Sanskara
climber
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Mar 28, 2014 - 05:13pm PT
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Why what would his response had been?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Mar 28, 2014 - 05:41pm PT
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Sh#t is no joke there's a reason why junkies are junkies. Most normal people don't have it in them to endure the pain it takes to detox off them.
All pain killers are addictive.
I'm pretty lucky then i guess. I've been on Hydromorphone for over a year. Started out at 27-31mg's per day, i'm now down to 1mg every three or four days. I have never experience physical pain associated with withdrawal. It has been messing with my disposition lately, and i had a tendency to feel down on off days, but that seems to be sorting itself out too.
Make no mistake they are all dangerous and none of them should be messed with lightly.
They are tools and if you can use them correctly then they can be quite useful.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Mar 28, 2014 - 06:10pm PT
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Sanskara. Pretty sure you were on Remission about a month ago when I did Repentance.. Ditto on carefull with those meds Eugene! I had to detox from zanax once years ago and that sucked bad enough.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 28, 2014 - 06:26pm PT
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Bull Whack..! rj
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Sanskara
climber
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Mar 28, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
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Zanax klonopin all of em are nasty nasty shit! All narcotic slice it how you want...
This guy saiz no thank you!
A healthy diet, regular exercise, staying hydrated, normal and consistent sleep habits will work wonders for most anything that might ail a person. Most just don't try it for long enough to see it really does work!
When that was not enough learning to meditate then taking up yoga and doing both daily made all the difference.
Even now laid up thinking this fractured heel could well be the end of my recreating and recreating is my anti depressant I have a calm like no pill ever provided before.
I can't recreate but I can meditate and practice pranayama. Glad I hurt my foot and didn't sustain a brain injury.
Read this book being I live with chronic pain and have for some time it changed the way I view pain. It also opened up a whole new world of thinking with regard to how the brain registers and interprets, why and what the options for dealing with it are.
http://www.amazon.com/Full-Catastrophe-Living-Wisdom-Illness/dp/0385303122
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Sanskara
climber
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Mar 28, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
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Trad not me.
Did not do Remission this year. Tbh never done it. Pi intended to this year as it just became within my lead pay grade. I missed the direct start conditions by a week or so and decided to wait till it was not all baked. Next season if this dam foot will allow it a seasons goal!
Got Dropline this season in unclimbed brittle glassy scary full on conditions. That was the real prize of my season. I think I placed 9 screws and its a short pitch of ice relatively speaking. Got lots of other 5 and 5+ leads but that one felt like the real deal!
Actually thinking about it that direct start of a Remission has some pretty good potential for a ground fall so maybe I'll wait a couple years before I get on a climb with a high risk of decking and let this foot get better!
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
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You guys got me all scared to take my pills now.
I was told that people in pain cannot get addicted to these meds.
I think I'm being hard on myself; it's only been a week... But still. I already have enough problems.
Whoever said outdoors/climbing is their anti-depressant - same here. The scariest part of going into this was not getting my anti-depressant dose every weekend, and not knowing how to deal with it. Maybe the meds are talking, but sometimes the thought of just being alone with me and my thoughts, is terrifying.
Yikes
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Mar 28, 2014 - 07:16pm PT
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Don't be scared by these Nancy boys into not popping your prescribed pills. When it's time, taper off and you should be fine. I made the mistake of stopping abruptly after my first hip surgery. I ended up in the ER and admitted for non stop vomiting. Detox, essentially. No fun. Taper. I was out climbing 2 months my hip surgery in September, in part because I followed directions. I agree, Suboxone is no bueno.
I'm wondering, has anyone else experienced a temporary change in gravitational force after dumping a super dense load? Just curious
Fyi, I'm not denying the possibility of addiction. It sucked for awhile because I was a Nancy about it too, thinking I needed it when I didn't. You'll be fine :)
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Mar 28, 2014 - 07:47pm PT
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Anita - Good luck with the leg, and if you do have times when you want to dress up, there are cosmetics that can cover scars very well.
As for prescription painkillers - I agree with those who are telling you to be careful. The danger of becoming dependent is not something to be taken lightly. Watched my mother over the years(and that was well before the oxycodone/oxycontin came around)and have seen plenty of people come into the rooms of AA desperate for help.
You sound like a person who can face reality head on, but I can tell you it is a truly sad thing to see a person who never had the story of the average drunk or junkie finding themselves screwed over by what stared out as "doctor's orders." They act like junkies, but don't identify with junkies because they didn't sell themselves or steal to get the fix, didn't live in hovels, didn't get stoned with derelicts. You don't want to find yourself in that predicament, but if you DO discover you are struggling,when it's time the cutting down should be occurring,know that there are people right here on ST willing to provide support.
POOP STORY!
So....I was out climbing with a group of women. The only male in the mix was Teddy. I started to feel symptoms coming on and knew they would not be ignored. It was going to be hours before we would be near a potty, and I'd never make it if I trued to walk out on my own. Plan B had to be put into place.
I found a private spot with a sandy base and....well, you know. Then cleaned up as I would have had it been a Teddy poo. Because I always kept a stash of bags for Teddy, I was even able to double bag. THANK GOD, because it was no dainty doo. Embarrassingly undainty.
Anyway - all said and done and back to climbing. When it was time to leave, of course I intended to pack it out,and I had the bag in hand. There came a point that I had to lift Teddy up and over a big section of rocks, so I placed the poop bag in a little nook on the top of the rock, and then lifted Teddy to the top. I told him to stay while I scrambled up and over and then to the other side. Then lifted Teddy down.
And completely forgot about the bag of poop.
Getting back to the car, one of the other women came up and handed what she THOUGHT was Teddy's bag to me, and made a very nice remark. She had understood I simply forgot, that it wasn't intentional. But of course it WOULD have been bad to leave it there,and so she carried it out....
When she handed me that bag, and said "You forgot Teddy's poop at the rock scramble," I KNEW -KNEW - I should have left it at that. But did I keep my mouth shut? Noooo!
Well, I almost did. but somebody made a comment about a smell... and I couldn't let Teddy be blamed.
Today I can laugh a little at the memory of the look on ALL the women's faces, when I sheepishly said "Well, it's actually not Teddy's." It was a look of sheer HORROR. As if they had been unknowingly carrying...well, I guess human poop is bad enough. And the other women who had innocently walked alongside! Perhaps even offered to carry the...load.
But that day, there was nothing funny at all about it. I am lucky they didn't drive off without me.
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Sanskara
climber
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Mar 28, 2014 - 07:55pm PT
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Don't be scared,
You gotta deal with what you have in front if you at this point. I am sure to some degree you need those pain meds at the moment.
The statement that Dr. Made to you about not being able to get addicted is horse sh#t and why I have such distain for western medicine! Dint forget to use your own brain and never just trust someone because they have MD in front of their name. At least I don't but I guess most do?
Either you misunderstood what the Dr. said or as Dr's So often do they downplayed the topic as they know they have to give you pain meds to get you through the surgery. When surgery is not elective but is an emergency as many cases is the case any means that need be taken is the ethic as I suppose it should be. Pain meds just happen to be a integral part of the equation and to Dr they are a integral part of their tool kit.. It is my opinion that Dr's are forced to developed an ethic that drugs are good that drugs used properly help. Imop there is no one fix that works for all situations and often that is how medication is applied. It's what Dr's do they try and fix people they have to believe in their means if they did not what would they have? And often what is the best they can do but give you a pill of some sort.
Opiates are simple. Seventy two hours of taking heroin and you will have developed a physical dependence and it will not be fun to stop. Take it for 7-10 days everyday and it will f*#king suck!
Oxycodon, Vicodin, Percocet, will take a bit longer to become dependent although milligrams and frequency of dose are also huge factor. OxyContin will take less time to develop a dependence than the previous three as t is inherently already stronger but still will take longer than heroin. Seven to ten days of Oxycotin is no joke don't do it unless you have to! Note Oxycotin and oxycodone are very different beasts although ultimately the same. Go over that 2-3 week mark on any of them and it is really gonna suck to stop. Heroin the worse, followed by Oxycotin then oxycodone, Vicodin and percocet
Barbiturate addiction also sucks, think Xanax, Klonopin , Valium. Mostly prescribed to treat anxiety they are also very very very addictive. Most have no idea just how addictive till they try to stop. Most prescribing Dr's think oh stopping is no big deal you just gotta take it slow. Well that is true however even then it can be f*#king hell. The reality is most never know because they never stop taking them and live on them forever. The biggest side effect when stopping barbiturates is massive anxiety that even the worse anxiety suffer never knew could exist coupled with massive panic attack and thinking you are otherwise loosing your f*#king mind.
Do as Moose said and you will be fine. Pain is mostly between our own two ears. That is what the book I posted the link to suggest. Its kinda like that of what an amputee patients experiences when they still feel a limb they no longer have. The nerves still fire to the brain like the limb is still there. At some point you just have to retrain the brain with regard to how it identifies with pain or suffer like hell or suffer addicted to pain meds.
Mind over matter sometimes...
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Mar 28, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
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Yeah, this sounds really painful. Be going on for a long time. I'd party on for a while, don't skimp.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2014 - 08:20pm PT
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Thanks for the input John Duffield.
Don't you get tired of trolling people? Keeping tabs on them from site to site, updating people on what's going on in the lives of complete strangers? Borderline stalking?
Having fun yet? Is this funny to you? A good laugh,eh?
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