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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Jul 12, 2011 - 10:24am PT
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Pretty soon you'd have some old climber from Dresden giving John Gill a hard time for using chalk.
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tarek
climber
berkeley
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Jul 12, 2011 - 10:35am PT
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now that was funny!
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SGropp
Mountain climber
Eastsound, Wa
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Jul 12, 2011 - 01:05pm PT
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Jim, your are absolutely right!
Part of the reason this thread keeps going is that beneath all the drama, slander, outright lies and general crap , there is an ongoing and absolutely essential discussion on both how we treat the rock, but even more importantly, how we treat each other. That discussion is not tied to any one climb or any one locale, but is truly international in scope.
Let us know when you get the new forum up and running.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 12, 2011 - 02:41pm PT
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supergeezer.com?
Looking forward to see how this one categorizes it's forum.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 12, 2011 - 03:19pm PT
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The public has developed a ravenous appetite for dumbed down forms of media such as tabloid journalism and reality shows. The current iteration of ST is just another manifestation of that fact.
edit: Back from 6 weeks in Iran and Tajikistan. I thought that an enforced layoff might let me see ST in a new light. Not so, I thing a voluntary "vacation" is in order. Ciao.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 12, 2011 - 07:00pm PT
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He'll be back.
He needs this place as a resource pool for future sandbag victims.
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Jul 12, 2011 - 07:41pm PT
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Oh, its very simple, you don't have to clip that, err, I mean read that thread! I steer away from the political ones because that's not why I come here, but who doesn't like to gawp at a trainwreck every now and then?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 12, 2011 - 08:13pm PT
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Jet lag must have really wacked me this time. Thanks for the wake up call Stinkeye, I'll post a nice little TR next week (need technical assistance from my wife who is out of town) Don't recall you ever giving kudos to TR's, maybe you'll step up to the plate and help encourage climbing content.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Jul 12, 2011 - 08:59pm PT
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C'mon guys - this isn't about fundamentalists nor parochialism.
This is about two guys who have been libelled and slandered for the last twenty-nine years, and who tried to defend themselves.
Yes - they were incredibly defensive, and they tended to rant more than a little. But they stuck to their guns, and didn't cave in.
And it now appears that what they said was indeed true.
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SGropp
Mountain climber
Eastsound, Wa
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Jul 12, 2011 - 09:30pm PT
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Good for you, Donini, for acknowledging you were being a bit harsh.
You can choose to be the old crank that jets in and heckles the rest of us from the back of the hall or else have something really vital to add to the free for all. Most of us here, because of life choices and circumstances can only get out occasionally and then only into our own back yards.
I [we[ ]really value both the depth and breadth of your experience and hope you will share both your own adventures and to draw in others that have a much broader view, both past and present.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Jul 12, 2011 - 11:09pm PT
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Yeah, what Sgropp and Tami said. Thanks for saving me the hunt and peck. Still waiting for that TR Jim.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jul 13, 2011 - 12:28am PT
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Jim contributes - thanks Jim.
Mimi contributes -thanks Mimi.
Marty Karabin contributes -Thanks Marty!
Etc, etc, etc - thanks everyone!
Do I agree with them? Hell no. But I thank them for their contributions, wisdom, and flawed thinking at the same time. Looking forward to the trip report JD.
Regards to all, please remember that your words here, like your life and personal communications, are your legacy. Too many leave us all too soon, Bean Bowers was the most recent, so consider what you wish to have remain when you too are gone. And all too soon, all of our times will be up and it will be game over. Let us hug our kids and treat each other with the respect we ourselves would benefit from giving.
....sh#t...is that all I got....f*ck all, now I'm depressed...
later brobams!
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SGropp
Mountain climber
Eastsound, Wa
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Jul 13, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
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In any civilized debate , after both sides have had their chance to make their best arguments and make their rebuttals, there's a point where it is appropriate to ''call for the question. ''
So how about it ?
This is mostly directed, with all due respect to Steve Grossman and Mimi. Just what was it about this climb and these climbers that was so profoundly offensive to certain segments of the Valley climbing community to warrant this unflinching bitterness and contempt for all these years ?
A brief and to the point answer would really be appreciated.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 20, 2011 - 02:52pm PT
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Five years later, we're still waiting for Ms. "Peace and Love" Mimi's response to the fifth post.
This is one of the funniest threads on Supertopo, with real gems like the post calling Mimi a "dickless detracter" -- not as insulting as intended and a lot more factually accurate than intended. LOL.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 20, 2011 - 10:01pm PT
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I'm raising funds for another WOS film. It's called "Waiting on Mimi" and its going to be really boring.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 20, 2011 - 10:05pm PT
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Just like you Gnome Boy...boring.
Keep trying...
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 20, 2011 - 10:12pm PT
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The questions that Mimi cannot answer.
The numbers that appear in my book as well as in the article you quote are correct. No, those numbers do not reflect "every time the drill touched the rock." If that somehow torques you, then I don't take it seriously until THIS challenge has been met:
JM has admitted that it is common practice (even by himself) to knock flakes off to make room for placements. He seems to suggest that this is infrequent. I want an ACCURATE tally (along with some reason to think that he has any clue)!
You have accused me of "insulting" JM, so I want the quote where I supposedly "insult" him. And YOU tout him as your own prophet of purism. So, to you I say: unless you can produce for me an ACCURATE tally of "every time the drill touched the rock" AND every time the pick of a hammer touched the rock "to remove a flake" for any reason on, say, his last two routes, then it becomes PAINFULLY obvious that you are attempting to hold Mark and I to a higher standard of honesty, memory, AND "purity" than you demand of your own heroes.
Do YOU ever climb, much less put up FA's? IF so, then I want that tally from you as well, and I want to know what route this tally represents.
If you're not ready to produce a NAME for yourself, what routes you have EVER done (especially FA's), AND the modification tally (remember: EVERY time you moved ANY bit of rock, however TINY, in order to help or make a placement happen!) for yourself and for your hero's routes, then you are just spewing and not worth any further response.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Sep 19, 2011 - 01:55am PT
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Coming in 2011
Waiting for Mimi, the Motion Picture.
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