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John M
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there are some good posts on this thread. I have enjoyed hearing the hunters prospective since I don't hunt. I like the comparison of aid hunting to trad hunting to sport hunting. Its about style, but in the end, something dies. I eat meat, so I don't have a problem with hunters. I do tend to dislike as#@&%es with guns though, but then I dislike as#@&%es period, guns or not. I understand the reasoning of taking a mature animal, rather then a youngster. And I understand that most hunters feel this way, or at least appear to. Like anything done in this life, there are dickwads and then there the real folks. I appreciate this conversation because of the real folks who have shown up.
You had every right not to be near the pig. Don't blame the pig for you getting in its business. You got scared and killed it. I bet the owner of the pig was pissed!
Though maybe Dingus could ease up on the trolling.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Hunting birds with dogs is different. Either you are using them for fetching, or you are using them to flush. Still got to hit a flying bird, still got to know how to get to where the birds will be.
That's hunting.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Wild boars are not native and along with other non- native species like wild horses and burros are very destructive to the environment......fire away. That goes for horses and burros too.
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steveA
Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
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Jan 5, 2014 - 08:03am PT
Using dogs isn't hunting....who can't shoot a treed bear?
Using dogs to tree bears and mountain lions so that there owners can casually shoot them from close range is the moral equivalent of using chemical weapons on civilian populations.
Jim, I totally agree.
A few years ago, this guy wanted to hunt bear on my timber lot with his dogs,
and the radio receivers dangling around their necks.
He was quite persistent but I always said NO.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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So here is the Leopard:
It is listed as Near Threatened on the IUCN Red List because it is declining in large parts of its range due to habitat loss and fragmentation, and hunting for trade and pest control.
I think there is a very reasonable case for the hunting of abundant species, and for pest control (pigs), and non-native species eradication.
But species that are in trouble????
I note that the killing of a leopard was by one of Rong's heroes.
Hmmm.
This is the killer mentality, which is only satisfied by killing something.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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If I could bring home 100# of porterhouse and rib eye, I'd kill as many of these the law allows.
I'd look for one with horns, because it'd be easier to drag back to the truck.
But I just don't like deer meat. If I wanted something tough and lean that needs a lot of working with to make edible, I'd pick up some cheap carne asada at the carniceria down the street.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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and I'll bet he killed it on public land. You know, the place where the animal is no longer found.....
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Every year, an unlimited amount of lion tags are issued. less than 2% get filled.
Gosh, Rong, how many exactly is 2% of unlimited??
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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I could see hunting and eating wild horses. The french have some good recipes.
But,.. sorry, I got a rule against eating ass.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I've seen cattle walking around loose on the slopes north of Holcombe Valley.
I imagine they belong to somebody, but I can see shooting one and packing it out in quarters. Non-native animal on public land.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Is that how it's done? Shoot it on first sight, and pack it out?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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A couple of years ago I walked into a certain lodge up in the southern Sierra during bear season expecting to sit down at the bar and enjoy a cold one. The bar was crowded with guys in camo, and they has some sort of small electronic devices. Greetings and a short conversation informed me that these guys were in the act of bear hunting, from the bar. They had GPS on their dogs, and some way of being able to tell when the dogs had a bear treed. In this event they would exit the bar and go get their bear, assuming it wasn’t too far from the road.
I was completely flabbergasted, and it pleases me greatly that this sort of thing is no longer going on.
I also hope the bear population remains stable, a rapid increase could lead to more unsatisfactory interactions between bears and people. As it is today in areas like the Sequoia National Forest and Domelands the bears have not taken up the practices of their neighbors to the north.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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For the years Charming Dawn and I lived off-grid up past Mammoth Pool we endured 5 seasons of bear hunting by dog pack.
Surprising to us was how many of the hunters were from out of state - mostly being from the South having driven for days with their dog pack crated in the back of a pickup truck. Few of the probably 60 or so hunters we talked with over those years were from California.
I do have one question tho - given that hunting is obviously down and therefore so are the numbers of killed bears - will we be arguing 10 years from now about what to do with the explosion of the bear population?
I can't help but believe that without the culling of the herd that past hunting practices providing that there will naturally follow an uptick in living bears.
Tahoe area homes have been trashed by bears the last 2 or 3 years - will the rest of the mountain communities have a similar problem as more bears survive and search for food?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Every local tribe i know has poached cows.
They must have huge pots to do that!
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Tribes aren't the only ethnic groups that poach...ask the Wagners of North Fork how many of their free range cattle they lose to the Fresno Hmong.
Not just cows... I've watched these scumbags net across five or six streams north of Little Chiquito campground and then drive every trout, craw dad, turtle and what have you into the nets.
Three years ago they were so bad a couple of PTSD ex-mil locals lit up the a-holes one night. No fatalities by design and aim...but we got their f*#kin attention.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Cool story Ron - that's why the old goobers who taught me to hunt in the Dark Corner of the Southern Appalachian always carried a flask of "Buck Cure"!
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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I used my land as wild life sanctuary from the hunters. The animals, especially the deer, knew it was safe, they learned fast, we always had plenty of different kind of animals there. Pretty cool to walk there.
Unfortunately I took out a wild boar with my car once. They're HUGE. And heavy solid. I've also walked among boars by mistake once, and they leave you alone, as long as you don't get in between the piglets and their moms, nor make any rash movements. Honestly, I was scared as hell, but one must keep that under control, because they smell fear. Like any wild animal.
Nowadays I don't walk into cornfields, boars likes to be in them. I have very much respect for them.
I don't mind hunting, I come from a hunting family, but I think it has to be fair. Trophy hunting of endangered species? You've gotta be out of your minds. Hunted meat shall be eaten. Exception sick animals of course, like when the foxes had foxscab. Poor things.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Last year I was visiting friends and family in Wyo. My buddy ran up to me and said "Hey, I just shot a bear off my four wheeler!"
I thought great, why the hell would you do that?
He said "No, I had been out bear hunting and walking back a bear was on my four wheeler!"
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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while y,all were still goin at it...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Every local tribe i know has poached cows.
N.E. AZ term for range cattle Slow Elk
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