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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Dec 21, 2012 - 11:55pm PT
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I want hand grenades. Wal Mart is close and convenient.
We are tearing apart our nukes at a frightening pace. That is a damn waste of good money. I think that we should have a tactical nuke at every school.
Seriously, I am a hunting rifle owner, and I need two or three bullets per year max. Others enjoy just shooting stuff up, and that is all fine, but the NRA has gone fullblown batshit crazy.
I fell asleep on the couch with one of the Sportsmen channels on, and kept having this recurring dream as I slept. I woke up and realized that the NRA was playing this 30 minute piece about how if we sign an agreement with the U.N. it will take our guns away. They were comparing Obama to some of histories great tyrants, and were saying that if he won the election he would have us be invaded by U.N. troops.
U.N. TROOPS? DOES ANYONE REALIZE HOW INEPT U.N. TROOPS ARE? First, they are donated in small quantities from other nations. They don't have a bunch of bases and good weapons. U.N. troops are the guys in white APC's and blue helmets who don't get to carry ammo.
Me and my wife could get rid of U.N. troops.
What planet does LaPierre live on? The NRA used to be pretty normal. Now they might as well hire Ted Nugent as the next president.
And like I said, I own guns. Hunting guns, but quite dangerous and locked up.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 21, 2012 - 11:56pm PT
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To all you limp dicked gun nutter Rambo-ettes proposing arming schools** GO F*#K YOUR SELVES!**
Keep your whack nut crazy assed sh#t and your guns out of my country's schools. How many of you have kids in school? How many of youare teachers or are/were married to teachers. Your ignorance and arrogance disgusts me.
Columbine had an armed gaurd how did that work out?
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Dec 21, 2012 - 11:59pm PT
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What's interesting is that NRA chieftan blames the media for sensationalizing these types of shootings but yet he himself buys into the whole hysteria thing saying we need to arm everyone. It's all just a little disgusting.
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TREED
Trad climber
Gunks
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Dec 22, 2012 - 12:25am PT
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Would anyone here, who have children, be ok with Ron Anderson, or cragman being armed at your kids school?
Pretty much sums it up right there.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 22, 2012 - 12:35am PT
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WTF is wrong with republicon minds? Why do they all think like this?
Because fear mongering has a well proven track record of profitability.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dec 22, 2012 - 12:42am PT
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There are plenty of stupid pills to go around.
5000 threads later there is still precious little critical thinking... I wonder if it's always been this way.
A horrendous act happened, very similar in nature to recent horrendous acts.
Rather than stopping and actually thinking logically, the sheeple on both sides simply react. The ones who fear black sticks that go bang blame the big scary magazines. "Assault Rifle" sounds scary too. Go with that. Only the 'police' need scary things like that.
The other side calls for more guns, more Iraqi-esque green-zones to be set up at Sunny Days Elementary. Shoot the perps in the head. Those f'ing crazies! Make a daterbase of 'crazies' too... Yeah, that'll do it.
Emotion rules the day, and then the week, maybe the whole month. Thinking is either impossible for the masses or suspended.
Both sides hurl insults and use little dead kids as punctuation for their remarks. Libtards, gun-nuts, etc... Pictures of phalluses are introduced. Everyone has to be lumped into little tribes and teams their small brains can grasp and probe.
Fascinating.
Laws will be passed based on said emotions. Their content mattering not a bit. The government doing what it does... Growing like a cancer and seizing more power.
All the while, the next guy, maybe in Hackensack, NJ, who is about to snap is watching TV about drones accidentally killing 4, maybe 5 "brown" people in Afghanistan. Ooops. He pops a Lexipro. Maybe a valium tonight too.
The keys for his Mobil tanker fuel truck accidentally get knocked to the floor.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Dec 22, 2012 - 12:49am PT
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Columbine had an armed gaurd how did that work out?
You make a good point, we need two armed guards. Added benefit, if one guard goes postal the other can shoot him, like the plan they had for officers in the missile silos.
Wait, maybe we need three armed guards, yeah, thats right, three armed guards.
The cost, minor detail, with 130,000 k-12 schools the cost would be 9.1 billion dollars, assuming a cost of 70k per guard (includes cost of benefits, we want happy guards right). Hmm, seems low, oh, my bad, that is for one guard per school, 27 billion dollars for three guards. Oh, and read my lips, no new taxes.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Dec 22, 2012 - 01:03am PT
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The beauty of the NRA's statement today is it will backfire on them. No pun intended.
you'd think they'd figure out how to appear smart enough to show they were willing and able to engage in a meaningful conversation. But todays statement clearly shows they are not. Guarding our schools with armed guards is beyond stupid. It shows a complete disconnect with those that are not NRA members (read, most of the country).
That disconnect comes as no surprise.
Further if you think that everyone should carry you also clearly show a disconnect with the country as a whole. Most want nothing to do with guns. It's a ridiculous "solution" to a major problem.
Stay disconnected I guess....
So the result I think will be is in another week or two there will be some other mass shooting (maybe the NRA will get lucky and it'll be a month or more) and the discussion or rhetoric will continue. I certainly don't wish that but let's be real. We all know there are people out there that watched this latest mass shooting and want to one-up that psycho. It's only going to get worse before it gets better.
I suspect those advocating for restrictions on guns will start to really organize and make a statement/difference. This latest event is galvanizing those of us that realize something has to change. One the other side the brain damaged NRA is advocating for turning our schools into reverse-prisons.
Y'all really think that'll turn the conversation into something constructive?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 22, 2012 - 10:56am PT
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The fact that more people aren't already aware is pretty scary.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Dec 22, 2012 - 10:59am PT
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Fear is correct...
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 22, 2012 - 11:26am PT
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Rather than stopping and actually thinking logically, the sheeple on both sides simply react.
Fear said what I have been wondering about for a long time. The difference between Canada and the US.
You have sides. Either one side or the other is in power, but everyone is on a side and after 5000 posts, you can't leave your sides and display critical thinking and solve issues. You are very representative of your country as a whole. If it came down to it (and it has in the past) you simply shoot the citizens 'on the other side' until one side declares victory.
In Canada, we have political hot button topics, but everyone is first and foremost a Canadian. All the finger pointing ends up pointed at the government - a largely detached and independent entity in society led by the fact that we had the Queen as head of state for so long. We just don't have the kind of hateful destructive arguments as a country as a whole over issues because when we differ on opinions we point our fingers at the government, not at each other.
In the US, the republicans are responsible for the NRA, guns are responsible for mass killings, and therefore Ron is responsible for these school kids.
A decade of watching this phenomenon in each country and I've finally figured it out!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 22, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
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For
private gun ownership
mandatory public service or military
harder driver's license tests
decriminalization of drug possession
more pay for cops and teachers
restoring public land (no grazing, wild horses or burros)
Against
welfare/nanny state
uneducated liptards having a vote
idiots that mishandle firearms
litterbugs and vandals
property tax (you want services? Pay for 'em)
censorship of nudity rather than violence
people that have kids but don't want to spend the time and effort to raise them properly!
So tooth, I am a libertarian. Do I really have to choose a side? Why can't I just sit in the bleachers and watch the game?
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 22, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
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Toker, if I were in the bleachers at your game (in your country), I'd have a gun in my pocket.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 22, 2012 - 12:40pm PT
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Glad to see me?
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 22, 2012 - 12:48pm PT
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Ha ha!
No.
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Dec 22, 2012 - 01:08pm PT
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Because that would make sense, the government isn't in the business of making sense. Now if it made more cents, that would be a different story.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Dec 22, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
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nstead of BILLIONS to places such as AFGHANISTAN, PAKISTAN and ANY OTHER STAN,, why dont we put that money into making our schools safer..
Great idea
Better yet... spend all those billions giving our people a better education with better mental health services, and then there wouldn't be any need for armed guards at schools.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Dec 22, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
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Paying for it would be easy - it would not cost one extra dollar, if our dollars were spent intelligently.
Right now in California, cops, sheriffs, CHP, prison guards, and parole officers are able to retire at fifty years old with 90% of their pay as their pension.
Instead of retiring at fifty, cops, CHP, etc. should be re-assaigned to school security - at 90% of their former pay - when they turn fifty, and be required to work until they're 67 before retiring.
A better idea would be to just get rid of mass assembly style schooling, and school the kids at home.
 I'm torn… Sounds like a great way to pay for the cops that the NRA are calling for and a great way to save taxpayers money…. The other side of my brains says "Chaz said key words that don't seem to have any value to a certain ideological political group that is hell bent on getting rid of government…. a political party with a proven track record of shady spending of any taxes given to them."
So I don't trust it will happen the way that is stated by chaz, though I commend him for making the clearly thought out statement
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Dec 22, 2012 - 01:28pm PT
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Simple two-step program.
Buy them back.
Tax the ones who want to keep them and the manufacturers, in order to pay for all the additional protection they require in society.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 22, 2012 - 01:45pm PT
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No foreign power will ever subject Nevadastan. The terrain is treacherous, there is no food for an invading army, and the natives are armed and dangerous.
edit: I'm sure Nevadastan is a net giver of venereal diseases.
edit: My wrong, Nevadastan has an enlightened posistion on prostitution. It is regulated so it is safer for everyone. Now if they would just do that with guns.
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