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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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May 25, 2006 - 01:02am PT
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Just checked out this thread again, glad to see it still going.
That was a nice post John.
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daryl_hattens_daughter
climber
saskatchewan, canada
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Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2006 - 05:56pm PT
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Thanks Doser....yea i dunno this is something that i feel i have to do...my aunt and uncle(whom i live with) probably wouldnt be too pleased with it but it just something that i feel i have to do.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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May 25, 2006 - 10:01pm PT
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Dear Janelle - I feel that you have every right to ask about your father unless there is a good reason of which I am unaware to support that attitude. Still, you've got to live with your relatives, so you do what you honestly think is reasonable to defend your rights as Daryl's daughter.
Dear Kit - the circle widens. I doubt that you remember me, and forgive me if I've got the route names wrong (getting older & can't find my guidebooks yet), but I clearly remember Daryl & I were trying to link a clean line between Cookie Jar & Apron Strings around the time of the switchover from pins to nuts. I can't remember exactly where we were belayed when we saw a very young you and your partner galloping (free) up a pitch that was normally aided. Daryl and I were gobsmacked, particularly since (I think it was you) were telling your partner that the difficulty was far lower than it was in reality - nevertheless, it didn't seem to cause your partner the slightest difficulty. Even though I didn't have the faintest idea who you were, I banged off a bunch of slides of your ascent and sent them off to you when I finally found out your address (from Daryl). I have no idea whether or not you received them, but Daryl mentioned your name from time to time, and he thought of you as a great guy and a gifted climber, to boot.
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Maysho
climber
Truckee, CA
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May 26, 2006 - 09:51am PT
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Greetings to Darryl's daughter!
I was pals with your dad in the late 70's, when I was a teenager in Camp 4. He was a consumate joker and always energetically friendly - a great guy to spend time with. After a rest day of carousing around the valley, from the caf, to the lot, to the Elephant rock swimming hole, to El Cap meadow, we would be hanging around the lodge at night. Darryl would get dinner reservations at the Four Seasons in a clever name, for the joy of hearing it boom over the intercom throughout the lodge "Ben Dover party of two - your table is ready", would send us into laughing fits as we held court on the benches outside. Your dad was also our aid climbing hero for having been on the recent second ascent of the Pacific Ocean Wall with Greg Child (then known as Java) and Kim Carrigan. You should try to get ahold of a classic old article Greg Child wrote for Mountain Magazine (I think). Maybe from 1979. It is in one of Gregs" books I am sure. Someone on this thread can give you the details. I can relate to your search, I was adopted and still have not had contact with my bio father, though I have written him a few times.
I wish you well,
Peter
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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May 27, 2006 - 08:10pm PT
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Janelle: I haven't seen any new postings here lately. You probably know more about the internet chat(?) lines than I do, but if this link(?) fades away, here's some advice you may find useful: stay in contact with either your aunt Darlene or uncle Peter, since they know both Greg Foweraker and myself (I knew Darlene much better than Peter, for what it's worth).
Where Greg comes into the picture is that he knows just about everybody up here that knew Daryl well, and stuck by him through thick and thin, which is what true climbers are supposed to do.
Anyway, back to Darlene and Peter - if they feel that it is acceptable, they can get in contact with Greg to obtain his e-mail address, and mine too if you want it. Regardless, I'll check out this thread(?) from time to time to see if there's anything new.
Whatever the future holds, Darlene, please try to spend the rest of your life learning as much as you can about everything - whether you're still in school or not, living life well is all about learning about the world, how it operates and how to survive in it, and a search for the truth. You may never find all the answers, but if you keep looking, you will come closer than most people. You may also find true happiness, which is another bonus of the quest. Already, you appear to be an expert at being a good human being, so please try never to lose your kind nature however life treats you, since people like you are an endangered species these days. All the best, always.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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May 27, 2006 - 09:40pm PT
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I just thought thought I would cheak back here too. Hey Peter, is that you who rented me the bus in little calcutta? Daryl was always fun @ the Four Seasons and the old Mt. Room. And now i'm remembering that old bong too.
If thats you Peter, how's it going? Seen Minks Lately?
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Carl Austrom
Ice climber
Summerville, SC
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May 28, 2006 - 11:17am PT
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I meet Daryl in the spring of 1974. My father had driven me to Squamish and dropped me off at the base of the Grand Wall trail. During that time period, Squamish would not see very may climbers -- less than 6. I was sitting at the trail head for about 2 hours, when I heard a lot of noise coming from the brush, I thought it was a bear -- it was Daryl! He had been living in the caves for about 2 weeks -- he looked like a bear. He had occupied is time by solo aid climbing. He asked me if I wanted to climb "some" rock. I accepted. That day we aid climbed most of the free climbing routes a the base of Grand Wall. The next weekend Daryl and I climbed Grand Wall. Daryl was a very kind soul. I would of climbed anytime/anywhere with Daryl. He was one of the safest climbers that I have ever meet. He loved to solve technical aid problems. Daryl was a truely gifted climber. I will always remember the many climbs.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 28, 2006 - 12:14pm PT
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Hello Janelle. I knew your father Daryl quite well in the 1970s and 1980s, first in Squamish and then in Yosemite. He was an extraordinary man and a good friend. It was nice to read all the postings from Daryl's friends on the forum.
I helped co-ordinate the memorial for Daryl at the summit of the Stawamus Chief in September 2004. I've kept the names and e-mail addresses of those who were there, and others who knew Daryl, and will send a copy of this forum to them, together with your picture. You may get some messages from them over the next few days - Daryl was much loved and respected. And maybe some other postings will appear. I'll also send that list - names and e-mail addresses - to you privately, together with pictures from the memorial. And perhaps some stories and memories.
Whatever others may have said, Daryl was a real gem. Perhaps a bit of a rough diamond at times, but still a good man and a good friend.
I believe Daryl first climbed at Squamish in summer 1974 - that's when I first met him. He tried to talk me into climbing University Wall, when I was supposed to be enrolling in first year university. (Pun not intentional.) I never did a lot of climbing with Daryl - he was more into wall climbing, and in any case was a bit out of my league. And I was always a bit of a lightweight in the social/drinking/etc department. But we had many good times together, despite very different backgrounds. I've always found that was one of the most attractive things about climbing - it's quite egalitarian, and all that matters is that you try your best. And Daryl's best was pretty darn good.
One of the postings enquired after Eric Weinstein, also a good friend from that time, and someone who climbed a lot with Daryl. Eric died in early 1984, in northern California. He had liver cancer. He'd largely given up climbing after the second ascent of the Pacific Ocean Wall in 1977, and became sick in 1983.
As for "lightweight": I don't know when the expression originated, but it was a common epithet at the time. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Daryl did start using it, though - just like him. Not that it ever applied to him.
In 1975 Daryl and Eric did a short route on a small cliff at Squamish, which they named "Horizontally Prone". A girdle traverse, naturally. And a nice double entendre. Gordie Smaill's 1976 Squamish Chief Guide observed "This climb best describes these two fellows' drinking habits: strictly lightweights." Not quite.
Anders Ourom
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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May 30, 2006 - 01:18am PT
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A friend of mine has forwarded these recollections: quote:
1. Daryl Hatten on the Triple Direct with Steve Gropp and Bob Odom
(I got this version of the climb from Steve, and the story could have
been spiced up a bit for fun.) Basically it was Steve's and Bob's
first El Cap route, and Daryl of course had lots of experience. Steve
had a lot more wall-climbing experience than Bob. Once they reached
Camp 4, they realized that there was a serious problem - their rations
were down to an apple between the three of them! Steve told me,
"Daryl had a hungry look on his face. I thought he was going to eat
me. I was determined not to be eaten. Maybe we'd both eat Odom." Bob
was the likely target as he was slowing the party down the most, which
is understandable given that he had the least experience with this
type of climbing.
Daryl did not want to starve, so he pretty much took over and went
into overdrive with a flurry of activity that got them to the top
in record time, more or less single-handedly organizing the other
two.
2. Daryl keeping a low profile.
Daryl had a habit of getting in trouble with the National Park
Service, usually over some inconsequential matter, and had on
occasion been kicked out of the park for a while. Sometimes during a
period of being persona non grata, Daryl would sneak back in using the
pseudonym "Doug Fir", usually to do a wall so he'd spend a minimal
amount of time in camp or around where he might be seen.
Once I was looking for him and asked someone, "Has anyone see Dyr ...,
I mean, Doug Fir" and everyone laughed, telling me what wall he was
on.
3. Daryl takes up cycling.
The straw that broke the proverbial camel's back was the time Daryl
rode a bicycle through a restaurant (now gone) at Yosemite Lodge
called "The Four Seasons". Daryl just went in one door, down an
aisle, and out the other, and nobody was inconvenienced. They called
the rangers anyway. People told me afterwards that Daryl had borrowed
John Bacher's bicycle and had given it back to John. When the rangers
showed up, they tried to stop John, who pretended not to hear and took
off. Then a waitress, said, "No, not him, HIM," (pointing towards
Daryl). So Daryl was nabbed.
If I remember correctly, I saw Daryl ride the bike through the
restaurant, but was inside eating dinner when the rest of it happened.
All of us just laughed.
At that point, they kicked Daryl out of the U.S., which was our
loss as he was really a wonderful person.
unquote, via Peter Haan
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 30, 2006 - 07:59pm PT
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I thought I'd try to post a photo. It is a picture of the group at the memorial for Daryl, held on top of the Stawamus Chief in September 2004. The only people missing are Daryl's sister and brother-in-law, who didn't feel up to the hike, and of course me. Many of those who have posted stories and reminiscences of Daryl on the forum were there.
Here is what I hope is the link - http://img173.imageshack.us/my.php?image=darylmemorialgroup0lf.jpg
I'm afraid it's not a very good picture, due to limitations of the photographer, the equipment, and a cloudy evening. A better quality one was published in Alpinist X, and may be on its website.
Anders Ourom
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Seattle climber
climber
Seattle
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May 31, 2006 - 08:29pm PT
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The above story in Peter Haan's post is pretty close. I think Daryl was a little bored, because for him the Triple Direct was pretty easy compared to the routes he had already done. When we bought our food for the climb, Daryl figured it would take us 3 1/2 days, and said we should bring just 3 days worth of food. He figured we would be OK for the part of the morning on the 4th day he expected us to be finishing up.
By the end of the 4th day we were at Camp 6, and it was clear we weren't going to finish that day. Fortunately we had plenty of water, and it wasn't hot, but we did have only one apple left. We were all getting hungry and probably a little cranky, as well as tired. We had enough light left to fix the pitch above Camp 6, which was my lead. I proceeded to bungle the easy (aid!) lead by not properly runnering the changing corners section,and got such bad rope drag that I had to break the pitch at an intermediate belay. I never knew that Steve and Daryl were thinking of eating me! When we got back to the base, we were really hungry, and hitched a ride back to Camp 4. The guy who gave us a ride had a bag of oranges, which we demolished before we reached the Camp 4 parking lot. I don't think he realized how hungry we really were!
Climbing with Daryl was a wonderful experience! He was careful, methodical and fast. I learned a huge amount from him. He was a wonderful funny guy with not a malicious bone in his body.
One of his most distinctive traits was his unique speech. I first met Daryl in 1974 at 3:00AM at the beginning of the original bolt ladder start to the Grand Wall. Rainer Burgdorfer and I planned an early start to do the Grand. We had just barely woken up, when we heard voices and gear clanking as Daryl and his partner headed through the woods to the start. We jumped up and went racing after them, getting totally lost on the approach, and grumbling about being stuck behind a "slow party." As we finally approached the end of the flake and the start of the bolt ladder, we saw Daryl about ready to cast off. He looked at us and smiled and said "Heh,man! How ya doin' man? Got lost in the woods, huh man! Heh, heh, heh!" Of course Daryl and his partner were not the "slow party" we expected!
He used to call occasionally when he passed through Seattle on his way to Yosemite. One time in particular I answered the phone and immediately heard, "Heh, man! How ya doin' man?" My response was, "Daryl! How are ya!?" His response: "Heh, man! How'd ya know it was me, man?"
Daryl is unforgettable.
Bob Odom
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Anguish
Mountain climber
Jackson Hole Wyo.
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Dear Janelle,
My name is Angus and I climbed Wet Denim Daydream with your father way back when. I wrote his obituary for Alpinist and will supply you with a copy (along with a minor correction). I also dug through some old negatives and have a picture of him at the base of the Pacific Ocean Wall (El Cap) ready to take off on the second ascent. I have a copy of this for you as well. It (black and white) shows him in his red bandana seated on a rock, a can of beer between his feet, a cigarette in his left hand, a joint in his right, taking a toke. Well, that's just the way we did things. (If someone can tell me how to post this somewhere, I would do so.)
Many years after we parted, Daryl wrote me a letter and asked how I was. I still am sick to my stomach that I didn't write back. Perhaps getting in touch with you will help me make up for that mistake.
Please write me at angus@jhnewsandguide.com so I can get your mailing address.
Eric Weinstein (deceased), another Canadian with whom I climbed for a couple of Valley seasons, introduced me to Daryl when your father was looking for a partner for WDD. Trying to measure up to those two men was impossible, but sure improved my climbing.
Angus Thuermer
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daryl_hattens_daughter
climber
saskatchewan, canada
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 3, 2006 - 12:44am PT
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hey everyone sorry i havent written on here for a while..ive been busy with work and school and such. Anyways thankyou for all the great stories. It sounds liek he was an awsm guy to have a around in good times and in bad. It sounds liek he enjoyed life no matter what the situation was and could always make a crappy time fun. I think its really funny how he made up names for himself...thats funny. Anyways this is still really cool :)
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Daryl's memorial, Stawamus Chief summit, September 2004.
Those in the picture:
Front Row (left to right)
unknown, Dave Vernon, Kevin McLane, dog hindquarters, Rick Clements, Richard Alden, Tami Knight, Ward Robinson, Dave Nicol, Dave Lane, Wayne Miller, Dve Fulton, John Arts, John Howe.
Back Row (left to right)
Scott Flavelle, Joe Turley, part of a head, Gordie Smaill, Mark Gandy (? - part of head), Jim Brennan, Randy Atkinson, Greg Foweraker, Don Serl, Perry Beckham, Hamish Fraser, Dave Yerian, Rick LeDuc (part of head), Bruce MacDonald, Simon Tooley, Stewart Wozny, Bruce Kay, Errol Weis, Jim Sinclair, Peder Ourom.
I don't think they'd mind having their pictures published, and being identified. A few are missing/obscured.
Anders
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daryl_hattens_daughter
climber
saskatchewan, canada
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 8, 2006 - 08:40pm PT
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Cool, thanks!
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Here is another photo from Daryl's memorial. We were warming up, sharing stories and pictures and stuff, before our climb.
Those in the photo:
Front Row (left to right)
Gordie Smaill, unknown, Dave Lane, Dave Nicol, Dave Vernon, unknown, Dave Fulton, Dave Yerian, dog (not named Dave).
Back row (left to right)
Mark Gandy (front), Scott Flavelle (behind), Greg Foweraker, Randy Atkinson, Daryl's sister, Daryl's brother-in-law, Don Serl, Perry Beckham, Jim Brennan, Simon Tooley, Hamish Fraser, John Arts (part of head), Peder Ourom, Bruce MacDonald, Rick LeDuc, Rick Clements.
Anders
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Watusi
Social climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Hi, Daryl was definitely a great soul and a hoot!! I myself was there when he rode his (JB's)bike thru the 4 seasons!! He stopped at our table for a brief second to grab some breadsticks or the like and had us in stitches!! God bless him!
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daryl_hattens_daughter
climber
saskatchewan, canada
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2006 - 10:46pm PT
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Hey eveyone...looks liek this forum pretty much done but i want to thankyou all for your good stories and kind words about my dad. It means alot that you took the time to help me, and trust me it helped loads. Thanks!!!!!
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jun 18, 2006 - 12:49am PT
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All the best - have a wonderful life, Janelle.
Try to stay in touch with Darlene - she can track down most of us if needed, and
Take care, always
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daryl_hattens_daughter
climber
saskatchewan, canada
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2006 - 03:40pm PT
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Hey thanks/...and i will....ill chaeck back here from time to time if people will still add stuff because its awsm so put yur thinking caps on hahah jk but you know what i mean but thanks again and maybe someday ill come to bc and check it out...hopefully :) ttul buhbye
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