Who the heck leaves a dog at 13k?

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John Duffield

Mountain climber

New York

Aug 19, 2012 - 06:44pm PT

I was kind of shocked at the way they treated cows in India. Here's one so starving, it's eating a cardboard box.

Without knowing him, it's hard to judge whether he's just mentally slow and his brain overloaded at processing everything, kids, travel, job, pet or he has a third world value system. I guess the courts will sort that out.

Anastasia

climber

InLOVEwithAris.

Aug 19, 2012 - 06:51pm PT

I believe in rehabilitation. The guy should be court ordered to volunteer in a dog shelter, show the court he does care about animals and... If he agrees, does his shelter work well, he should get his dog back. People screw up, learn from their mistakes and become better folks for it. I would like to see him be given that chance. Why? When one guy become a better person, we all benefit. Especially if he took good care of the dog before his idiotic hike.

AFS

Anastasia

climber

InLOVEwithAris.

Aug 19, 2012 - 07:56pm PT

By the way... If this inspires any of you to adopt a German Shepherd like Missy. They really are a fantastic breed. (Mind blowing awesome.)

http://www.sheprescue.org/

Yes, Loki is from there. This is her.

Prancing with her prized possession. She doesn't eat it, but walks around showing it off since Christmas!

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber

Pomfert VT

Aug 19, 2012 - 08:13pm PT

They can be pretty tough on the women in India. they do the whole honor killing thing where the patriarch orders the eldest son to kill the sister because she dishonored the family by falling in love with the wrong dude...

This country we are tough on everybody. crazy sh#t. the dogs and cats get better health care than the people...

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Aug 19, 2012 - 11:49pm PT

While India has a way to go in their treatment of women, incidents like the one above are as rare as Abortion Bombings and Leaving dogs at 13,000 feet. I would add that India has had at least two women Prime Ministers so it's a mixed bag. We haven't elected one president yet and only gave women the vote in 1920 so some other places with thousands of years of tradition change slower

Jody makes my point for me though, we can't trust our social norms for Morality. Only you can decide if you're OK with hiring corporations to raise animals for slaughter in tight conditions and fed drugs.

It is very sad, imo! Did you read my story about the chickens?

Splitter, none of my post was directed at you at all. I liked your post but there's no like button

Some others are in Denial. So what we got Cainine Teeth? (actully our digestive system is far more like vegetarian animals than carnivors) If you think God meant us to kill animals, they why wring your hands over the dog? I don't eat anything I wouldn't kill face to face although I have a few strips of bacon or Salami each year to break bread with folks and to avoid being holier than thou. I'm not perfect but I also don't advocate lynching the Idiot even though he did a wrong thing.

Peace

Karl

Captain...or Skully

climber

Aug 20, 2012 - 12:25am PT

Apples & Kumquats argument. India has NOTHING to do with some dumbass in the Sierra.
Your dog is your friend, right? Who leaves a friend?
End of story. No swamis or svengalis or snake charming needed.

corniss chopper

climber

breaking the speed of gravity

Aug 20, 2012 - 12:27am PT

Those who take their dogs on a hike over a 14er in Colorado should have
booties and at least 2 spares for their dog. Is there such a thing as carbo loading a dog? Training at least! Did Tony train w/ Missy? Y/n?
Dog owners should have a guaranteed way to pack their dogs out when they become exhausted.
(More signs at the trailhead? Information warnings on hiking websites?)

I'm thinking Missy bonked (out of shape? old?) and cut her feet due to fatigue/ plus too rough a route) faithfully following her master until she could not move. Tony could not devise a way to carry her 100lb wt from 13,200 over a 14,000ft peak and down to the car at 11,000'. Any of of us might be flummoxed by such a task.

Then he was denied help from the SAR operator. Imagine how you would have felt when that message came across your cell! Murderous rage?? Maybe he'd been thinking all the way down Mt Bierstadt the SAR guys will rescue her.
And then you are told no. Your dog is no different then a fracking lost sweater and of no consequence to the Clear Creek County operator. Did she even consult the SAR volunteers? Or just read from her government script then hang up to go back to watching her favorite tv program?

Fluoride

Trad climber

West Los Angeles, CA

Aug 20, 2012 - 01:05am PT

CC - thanks for the update on Missy. She sure is a beauty. I really hope the Washburns get to keep her, they showed so much care and love in getting her story out there and help in her rescue.

"People screw up, learn from their mistakes and become better folks for it. I would like to see him be given that chance. "

I have to respectfully disagree with you Anastasia. What he did was SO egregious, he should never be allowed to have another pet as long as he lives. He made NO effort to get the word out about his stranded dog. If he's really a Colorado mountain climber he would have known that if he couldn't get her down, plenty of good folks in the community would rally to go up and help in her rescue. He made one phone call and when told no by SAR just gave up.

He said "oh well," went out of town for a week and made no effort to get the word out about her situation and admittedly just assumed she'd just die up there. A long, cold, suffering death on a mountainside for man's best friend. And he did nothing about it.

That kind of bad judgement cannot be changed in a person. He deserves no second chances and I hope the judge throws the book at him for what he did to that innocent dog that HE dragged up there then left for dead.

I hope Missy gets to spend the rest of her days in the loving home of the Washburns, who cared enough to get her story out there and make sure the animal made it safely off the mountain.

Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Aug 20, 2012 - 01:06am PT

Karl,

Most people in India lack access to a toilet. ( look it up ) An intelligent, civilized nation - such as our own - has a toilet accessibility rate of over 99%. ( look it up )

Yet India has nuclear weapons. WTF?

India is a f*#king failure. They were better off under British rule. ( look it up )

I'm not looking to a country who can't even get their own goddamn sh#t together ( literally ) for advice on how I should do anything.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Aug 20, 2012 - 01:30am PT

For Karl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowry_death
http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/12/08/dowry-murders-in-india-result-in-few-con-idINDEE7B70JG20111208

The Indians, including the Hindus, seem no whit more (or less) moral about human and animal life than we are.

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Aug 20, 2012 - 01:37am PT

You guys saying India has moral problems are just proving my point. They think some of the stuff we do is cruel and wrong and we think the same of them. You think having toilets makes us right?

What really makes you think it's so different to let a dog down and yet support the killing and pain of countless other intelligent animals? It's just because in our culture that's the way we roll.

We are like that as a country too
We think it's barbaric if a terrorist beheads somebody and then we spray their whole country with cluster bombs that shred children for years and we think only the terrorist have a morality problem

Peace

Karl

WBraun

climber

Aug 20, 2012 - 01:40am PT

Yep what Karl said.

Also,

Canadians and Americans are so stupid .......

Captain...or Skully

climber

Aug 20, 2012 - 01:42am PT

JUST them? C'mon, Yogi.
There's plenty of Stupidity to share, all around.
Or what, huh?

corniss chopper

climber

breaking the speed of gravity

Aug 20, 2012 - 03:01am PT

Riley - Could the impossible be true: that the Clear Creek County 911 operator never passed the info to the SAR VOLUNTEER people that Missy was stuck on Mt Bierstadt for 8 days?

And more impossible to believe would be that the SAR people knew about it and made no inquiries. A follow up call to the dogs owner a day later to see if he'd gotten her down would be the least that could have been done. Seems that did not happen. Missy's few lines of info was forgotten in the 911 call log computer under the crush of more urgent matters.

Moof

Big Wall climber

Orygun

Aug 20, 2012 - 10:00am PT

Karl,

I think I lost track of the point you are trying to make? Is it just that you think humans suck, so we are fools to give a damn when one person causes an animal to suffer? I am rather confused now.

Jan

Mountain climber

Okinawa, Japan

Aug 20, 2012 - 10:26am PT

One point that comes across is that Karl knows India and Chaz obviously doesn't. It's astonishing that he would say that India was better off under the British. I guess he doesn't know that 25% of the GNP of Britain came from India for over a hundred years and that slowed down India's economic development just a bit? And that the British presided overlarge scale epidemics and famines which the free government of India has eliminated? And that free India now has the second largest group of computer programmers in the world after Silicon Valley?

Also astonishing is the idea that the measure of a society is its toilets. So glad to hear that, but my guess is that the people in India would rather go to a messy toilet and not have to worry about being gunned down at a movie by a maniac.

Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Aug 20, 2012 - 10:43am PT

Jan,

It's not just the lack of toilets in India that marks them as a failure.

It's the presence of nuclear weapons, along with a lack of toilets, that tells us India's priorities are 100% backward.

Any society that would rather have nukes than toilets can't tell me anything about which animals I should eat and which animals I should let into my house.

Google "world toilet crisis" or "world toilet organization" for the dirt on India. Check out the videos of people taking shits in the river or taking shits on the road and walking away.

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Aug 20, 2012 - 10:56am PT

Here's my point, we have this thread where a bunch of people are enjoying being morally superior by emotionally condemning some fool who did a bad thing but they themselves are also contributing to animal suffering in even greater ways by eating them and thus supporting the real mother lode of animal suffering, the way animals are raised as food in this country in an inhuman manner

There's this kind of morality becoming common in this country which is hand wringing about Other People's sin but not worrying about their own. Abortion, gay marriage...Horror!! How convenient that those people don't need either .

Morality comes from cleaning up your own act, not others,

So when you point the finger, it's time to look at the other three fingers pointed back at you.

I'm not enjoying writing this stuff cause nobody likes to be judged but since many are judging, I'm seeing how they like the taste of their medicine

Peace

Karl

Jan

Mountain climber

Okinawa, Japan

Aug 20, 2012 - 11:11am PT

Randisi-

The people gunned down in Mumbai were Indians. The people with the guns were Pakistanis trained by their own government. You'd be offended if a Saudi tried to tell you that the Twin Towers were brought down by farmers from Kansas. Same difference.

Chaz-

I think the U.S. is far more culpable for having nuclear weapons while 25% of our children live in poverty. We have many more means to alleviate poverty than India and yet we fail to do so.