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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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May 10, 2012 - 07:11pm PT
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV)
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV)
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
Yes, we all sin and fall short of the glory of GOD.
But there is forgiveness. You have to sincerely ask for it with a true repentant heart. GOD knows your heart and mind. You can't fool him. True repentance means you are so sorry that you turn away from the sin you have been committing so as not to do it again. You will fall again, but there is forgiveness. This forgiveness is available to us through Jesus Christ, The Lamb of GOD sacrificed for our sins. He loves us that much. Jesus took the punishment for us. That is true eternal love.
When Jesus forgave, he often would say, "You're sins are forgiven you, go and sin no more." That is what he expects of us. We will fall. We will fail. But we can get back up and continue on with GOD's grace and forgiveness.
But to inherit the Kingdom of GOD you have to stop doing it. You can't do this on your own. You need GOD's help. You need GOD living in your heart to stop sinning. You need GOD living in your heart to become Christ like.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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May 10, 2012 - 07:16pm PT
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Find me a man who ever stopped sinning and I will show you a tombstone.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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May 10, 2012 - 07:17pm PT
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file this one under "no one gives a shit"
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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May 10, 2012 - 07:20pm PT
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Wasn't the current bible manipulated over the years, thus rendering it to a state that is more parable than something to be taken WORD BY F*#KING WORD!
Kilmmer, I hope we never meet, because your blind zealotry creeps me out.
Parable dude. Get laid, go for a run, breathe, breathe some more, read something outside your comfort box with an objective mind. Draw your own conclusions, breathe three times, and then check back.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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May 10, 2012 - 07:30pm PT
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I wouldn't say the original language of the Bible has been monkeyed with much. It's actually a pretty decent historical record. The translations, however, can leave one wondering about what, for example, the original Gospels, written in Greek, actually said. Just the side by side examples of the King James and New translations of 1 Corinthian 6:9 provided by Klimmer, and the pretty big differences between the two, make one rightfully wonder.
Perhaps Shakespeare put it best in Merchant of Venice, 'the devil can quote scripture for his purpose.'
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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May 10, 2012 - 07:34pm PT
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LMFAO dingus....
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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May 10, 2012 - 07:35pm PT
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next guy to start a poly thread gets shot,
and i do mean that,
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 10, 2012 - 07:38pm PT
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Chuck Norris calls for 'political jiu-jitsu' to stop the Obama regime
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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May 10, 2012 - 07:39pm PT
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I'm sure Obama's team had surveys and studies that said it wouldn't be a major risk for him to 'come out'. He'll fire up the gay and liberals and the haters wouldn't vote for him anyway.
What's funny is Romney comes right out and says he doesn't support equal rights even if it's not called marriage. AND reports of him harassing gays in high school come out at the same time (he is lying when he says he doesn't remember these episodes OR his memory is so bad he can't remember holding down and cutting someone's hair off in which case he doesn't have the mental faculties to be prez anyway), so any advantage Mitt would have got out of it he lost.
It's always revealing how people pick and choose what to believe out of the bible to justify their bigotry.
Leviticus 20:13
"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. "
They'll say the bible is clear that homosexuality is wrong, but most of them won't say let's put them to death but it's clear in the bible. So many things in the bible they clearly ignore, but latch on to something that justifies bigotry. Despicable.
And you'll notice Leviticus only talks about men with men.
As Sam Kinison said "The bible says a man shall not lie down with another man. But a woman with a woman...
We'd all like to see that."
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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May 10, 2012 - 07:40pm PT
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Dude I have more ammo than I can carry...but yeah, had I known it would get this ugly I might have listened to the baba....
Should I whack it ? Every ones misses the point I was asking about anyway....
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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May 10, 2012 - 07:42pm PT
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paganmonkeyboy can start any kind of thread he wants to as long as he gets one of them helmet cams and starts posting his races so that we can all root him on.
Maybe he could even sell taco subscriptions to raise money.
the fastest go cart I drove topped out at about 60 mph. Still a heck of a lot of fun. I don't remember the name of the track but it was down near riverside raceway. We use to go to the races there and then go drive carts. 4 wheel drifting.. wooot
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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May 10, 2012 - 07:43pm PT
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Tom.. were you asking if Obama knowingly threw the race?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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May 10, 2012 - 07:47pm PT
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On a serious note:
What harm is there in letting same sex couples have a civil union?
Marriage is between the church.
I guess the libs / gays can take it up with the GOD, but Klimmer is making it pretty clear that you're blood is going to be shed all over the floor if you lay with a man as a man. So...
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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May 10, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
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I'm worried this will be an excuse to cover fraud in battleground states...see the edit to my first post.
And yes, I need a gopro camera....I'm trying to convince them to give me one and I will stream it live from my crotch for a year. I call it gopro my balls :-)
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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May 10, 2012 - 07:51pm PT
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this thread has remained reasonably sane. If you whack it, someone else will just start a gay marriage thread with a snide title and the crazies will come out in force. The topic is pertinent.
Edit" I see what you mean about covering the fraud. I don't think Obama would knowingly throw the race. I think his handlers might.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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May 10, 2012 - 08:10pm PT
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I wrote:
"It's actually a pretty decent historical record." To which DMT replied:
Some people you just kaint reach. So we get what we have here. I don't like it anymore than you men.
One should make an effort not to be as rigid as the people you are criticizing, unless you want to look as retarded as they do. It does cut both ways you know.
The early versions of the Gospels, for example, were all culled from texts dated from the 4th Century and earlier. From Wikipedia:
"The discovery of older manuscripts, which belong to the Alexandrian text-type, including the 4th century Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, led scholars to revise their view about the original Greek text. Attempts to reconstruct the original text are called critical editions. Karl Lachmann based his critical edition of 1831 on manuscripts dating from the 4th century and earlier, to demonstrate that the Textus Receptus must be corrected according to these earlier texts."
As tempting as it is to completely discredit two thousand years of scholarship based upon the random quips from Klimmer, it's probably more valid just to bag on Klimmer.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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May 10, 2012 - 08:23pm PT
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If we are going to discuss the bible.. I have a question.
Why did God stop talking to people through the written word? Does He/She not have anything else worth saying?
Also..
why do people accept what a group of men from 1600 years ago declared was the only written word of God?
Edit: sorry Tom.. I am hijacking your thread. haha.. hope you don't mind. Post up another cart race.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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May 10, 2012 - 08:26pm PT
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I've sort of been on the fence about "Klimmer" -- his real name is Gary Somethingorother, right? -- for a long time now. His spaceship on the moon stuff struck me as being extremely odd, and the manner in which he presents Christianity to those around him is, to put it buntly, embarassing to those who take the teachings of Christ seriously. But these most recent posts have me wondering about the possibility that he may be suffering from something more clinical in nature that simple, obnoxious fanaticism. In any event, unless I'm in the mood for some train wreck rubbernecking, I'll simply be skimming past his posts. Lord knows, I'm accustomed to oddballs and frige types -- truth to tell, I'm one myself -- but Gary's recent communiques to the forum are starting to feel downright creepy. Is he really a teacher in the public school system? Yikes.
Larry Norman is spinning in his grave right now, and folks who may have at one time been receptive to the teaching of Christ are running for the hills.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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May 10, 2012 - 08:29pm PT
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Klimmer doesn't bother me nor scare me. He has explained himself and says he doesn't preach at school. I know public school teachers who are a lot more vehement then he is. And then add in the private school teachers who the right seem to revere so much and you can really find some fanatics.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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May 10, 2012 - 08:36pm PT
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Back on topic, I think it was a good political move for Obama to make. Head them off at the pass sort of logic. It's out there, and Mitt has changed his views on this subject as well.
Hats off to the POTUS to stand up for equal rights.
Yeah, I know that he deferred it to states rights, but now it's out there, center stage.
IMO, love is love, and commitment is commitment.
Let gay people live their lives just like anyone else.
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