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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Apr 19, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
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Ban fires in campsites.
Instead, create communal campfire rings, like one for every 20 campsites.
Sorry, OT.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 19, 2012 - 02:26pm PT
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A lot of the weirdness in Yosemite Valley is about all these temporary fixes that are implemented while the long term pie-in-the-sky plans are waiting to be panned out
Like all the employee housing located in parkings lots behind the lodge and Delhi
It would only take a few sensible things to make things smooth.
Day use restrictions on the busiest days, make permanent employee housing and free up that parking, and expand the shuttle hours and places
and reopen the flood area camping.
Everything hunky dory more or less after that
But like the "Capitalism versus Communism" war, it's ideology that makes us to impractical things that don't work in Yosemite
Peace
Karl
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
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^^^ or bureaucrats kicking the can down the road.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 19, 2012 - 03:01pm PT
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They may be kicking the can down the road because every serious attempt to fix a problem engenders decades of litigation.
John
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CF
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 20, 2012 - 06:39pm PT
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Hope everyone has taken the time to comment, today is the last day!!
Link is hard to find but it is easy to do online;http://parkplanning.nps.gov/commentForm.cfm?documentID=45044
Wrote to the planners about no mention of the Ice Rink being slated for removal and got this. Wonder what else they forgot?
Hi Chris,
You are correct, it is proposed for removal under all the alts. The
website should have an errata sheet posted now that identifies errors such
as this one in the print copy. We will make sure this is captured on that
sheet (it may take a few days). Thanks for calling it to our attention.
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CF
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 20, 2012 - 06:43pm PT
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Nice, who is Linda?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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Apr 20, 2012 - 07:53pm PT
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My slow-take on the Sewage Disposal problem on El Crapper, outlined by the Venerable Peter on the 14th sort of sandbagged me. I guess I was not all there.
Peter Paan was 'aving us aan. I say, old bean, good on you! I laughed hard.
No sheet, maan, you got me. But let's determine the worst routes on the Capito and call 'em shite routes, then route the flow there. They are already shpoopi, so there's no harm in that. Two mains, was it, one for the NA and one for the SW Face? The Nose runs into the main leading from the SW Face? Why not get the good "people in charge" to charge a fee for the Nose? It would mitigate expenses. And what's the harm in that? I've only just taken 3 routes out of circulation. There's plenty more where they came from.
Parking, I've always thought, could be increased by hollowing out a huge cavern or tunnels in the East Buttress, just like an urban parking structure. The E. Buttress is closer to shopping and the attractions of Camp 4 and the Lodge. The Harding Tunnel. essentially a drilling project, would both commemorate the King of the Drill and solve where to park my Greyhound Scenicruiser, and the car I'm towing.
The farce is strong in the Lower Sierra.
I'm too out of it politically to be serious, folks. I was put here to deride everything that is stupid, I guess, and support those who "gitter done." Humor is as alive in Yosemite as the magic.
I think the Master of the Turd Eye, the WB, might have some inkling of how to deal. Werner "Turd" Turner, whaddya, think?
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Apr 20, 2012 - 09:26pm PT
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Mouser Tami and I are honored you find the calculations are correct. I hasten to add that yes YES all these new rest stops are to be fee-for-use. Even so the contracts are coming in higher than The Agency had planned so some of the Summit facilities will be pit-and-pump designs. The main branch and lateral will be downsized somewhat and total capacity reduced as well. Obviously passing El Cap Tower and the Great Roof we will see a narrower trench profile, going from a 36" wide x 8ft deep average cut from existing grade to a 18" wide cut. This reduces by half the trenching time and total spoils production therefore greatly speeding up compaction as well, probably again by half. Equipment costs dive as well. Many will be pleased geoplaning out the troublesome Great Roof formation still remains in the project as part of machine access and design cost configuration. Closure of the El Capitan Park Feature will be for a May 1 to October 31 period presumably of year 2013. Peregrine nesting sites will be relocated to Rhombus Wall.
Revised drawings, documents and images to follow.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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Apr 21, 2012 - 02:02am PT
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I am as eager to see your plans and calculations as I am for the new Guide, if it ever gets done. Meanwhile, the 50% reduction in actual spoils (Unexpected, but then that's what you're known for) is more than enough to use the greenest and most luxurious bum-wad in the new rest stops; wouldn't you agree?
I hear the Lodge is storing enough older model hand dryers that work perfectly to equip all the stops, so that eliminates even more waste in the form of towels. We can probably get them for a song and that will pay the crew Werner has standing by to hang and connect the lights in the Ribbon Falls Amphitheater. I like TM's idea of night climbing in the Valley instead of trucking up to the Meadows because of the heat down here. Imagine being able to do two Vs in the graveyard shift with only two quarts per man.
Mimi, we've never met but I was there when Peter soloed the Sal in 1971. I think Peter was more than psyched for that gig. And style? Robbins swooned. Peter, congratulations on a real fine idea. It is really ironic that your exhibition of nerve and how it's done in Yosemite, as brilliant as it was, had to be adumbrated by the episode of November of the same year. I always felt that Batso and Dino did it strictly to earn money, while it was the exact opposite for you and the rest of us who used El Cap and the rest of our rocks for the sheer enjoyment and satisfaction of achieving a goal. I feel like a real butt-suck saying all this on such a serious forum. They don't grow Haans (and Aments and a bunch of others) everywhere, but they tend to do well in the Valley. They have earned our respect for their climbs and for the rest, you all know the drill. I am sure the Park and its problems will never go away. There's always change but there's never enough money; the tourists are always always always going to be too dense until cars are virtually driven out of the Valley, but tourists are tourists are tourists and they provide livings for those of us who are sick of the flats or just love the place so much they never leave. I have said before, I am not a political animal, but some of us are. These problems are, in the present system, political, q.e.d. in other posts. Politics are a negotiator's realm, but you never go into a meeting without a firm idea of what you want to exit having achieved. It's just the same in planning a serious climb. We need this site to build consensus. I have no useful ideas at the moment, as everyone can tell, but thinking about doom and gloom is not how I want to live the rest of my life. I find that joking can lead to serious problem solving. The North Face managers I worked with were very aware of how our CEO handled things. I won't say more than his name was Hap and was known as the man who was always smiling. It will be and it has been a hard road and a long time before anything we say this year, or might generally agree to back in the future will bear the least fruit. I'm sure many of us will get sick of the process, but like I said or meant to say, unless somebody keeps the motor running, the improvement bus isn't going anywhere. This site is our motor. And I'm a motor-mouth Mouse.
Peter, Tami, thanks for talking. Thanks for listening. And the rest.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 21, 2012 - 08:37pm PT
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They may be kicking the can down the road because every serious attempt to fix a problem engenders decades of litigation.
This is true and also true that the can needs to be kicked down regarding parts of the plan that require tons of money that's not available.
And also I could imagine a strategy where non-controverisial parts of the plan are enacted first so parts that might upset people and create resistance only emerge after as much is accomplished already as possible
peace
Karl
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Apr 21, 2012 - 09:20pm PT
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Here's a tangible idea: Pipe down, ya name dropping blowhard.
bwahahaaha!!!!!
Too f*#king funny
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 22, 2012 - 04:15am PT
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Those who don't like Fatty for his political views should keep the Fatty slander to the political thread. He's trying to help here.
If you distance all the "Tools" involved in these issues, they'll be nobody to work things out with
peace
karl
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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Apr 22, 2012 - 10:44am PT
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Rosamond, your "modest proposal" cries out for immediate implementation!
"Why hesitate?," as my maniacal alpine- and speed-skiing younger bro used to say poised over a vasty nasty. As for the cayenne, I would urge any bumpers who wish to help in this endeavor to go for chili tepines: smaller, easier to hide, and deadly as vipers.
Truth is, it's not that modest. If you eliminate 50% of the park's asphalt, then the third part of the plan falls apart. The roads are asphalt and you can't drive the shuttles off-road. Because the park administrators will just pull up paved roads to little-visited spots and there you are, stuck in a metaphoric Lodi (it's all that comes to me at the moment--I'm afraid the areas that qualify as less-visited or seldom visited, well, I don't think I've ever been to them, so I don't know them). Other than that, I feel you have a pretty swift little proposal. I was not going to bother quoting your post, but I have re-considered that. Many folks wouldn't bother to do it, but you can thank me later, oklee-doklee?
Hear ye! Hear ye!
Let's consider my modest proposal:
1) Remove 50% of park administrators.
2) Remove 50% of the asphalt in the park.
3) Add bus service to all park locations currently accessible by cars.
4) Add some Cayenne pepper to a park administrator's undergarments whe he/she is not looking.
--Rosamond
Now we are discussing, not fussing and cussing.
ATTAGIRL, Ro.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 22, 2012 - 12:03pm PT
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There's very little asphalt where there doesn't need to be and when they remove it and still put cars there, it just kicks up dust in the air
Peace
karl
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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Apr 23, 2012 - 11:20pm PT
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Very sage observation, Grasshopper.
But then, gate the road and make the lazy go for a walk. I'll settle for that like the dust they kick up.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Apr 24, 2012 - 01:52am PT
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They can build fences all they want. I jump those.
It's our way, no? Bite that, Tool.
It's OUR Valley, after all.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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Apr 24, 2012 - 02:47am PT
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Oh, give me land, lots of land, under starry skies above,
Don't fence me in.
Let me ride thru the wide-open country that I love,
Don't fence me in.
Let me be by myself in the evening breeze,
Listen to the murmur of the cottonwood trees,
Send me off forever, but I ask you, please,
Don't fence me in.
Don't fence me in.
-Cole Porter
And don't fence me out, either.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 27, 2012 - 05:16pm PT
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There's nothing to report on this matter. I know it's a slow process with government involved.
But I don't trust the Phuckers.
Let's consciously try to keep up with this one.
I looked at the Home Page of the NPS that CF gave in the initial post.
No meetings scheduled this week.
Everyone's out of town.
Anyone heard anything through the grapevine?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 18, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
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Anything?
zBrown's fault, playing Don't Fence Me In by Roy.
Roy, Roy, Roy...
Triggered this ^^^.
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CF
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
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preferred alternative"
ALTERNATIVE 5: ENHANCED VISITOR EXPERIENCES AND ESSENTIAL RIVERBANK RESTORATION
Page 57
"WEST YOSEMITE VALLEY
1. El Capitan Meadow Area
• Restoration of Informal Trails: Remove all informal trails from the meadow that incise, promote habitat fragmentation, or are located in sensitive and frequently inundated areas, and restore to natural condition. Use restoration fencing along northern perimeter of meadow and designate appropriate access points using boardwalks and viewing platforms. Selectively remove mature conifers that block views of El Capitan from the roadside."
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