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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Dec 28, 2011 - 05:23pm PT
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I've posted my proof. Show me YOURS! If you want to impress, you have to pick something better than Pisco walk up.
Not saying it is better or worse than any other climb that someone ever did. I am not here to compare balls, but my last climb was this guy:
Regular route up Third Pillar of Dana (done it in winter?)
12.24.2011
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Dec 28, 2011 - 05:51pm PT
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No wife, check
No kids, check
No life, check
Nieve, check
Squishy, your life at the moment is battling rape charges (because he got his best friend's wife drunk and f*#ked her when she was "too wasted" according to her)....so YOU talking trash about my life is quite entertaining to me, keep it coming :)
Maybe I will reply after I come back after getting some climbing done Thursday to Sunday....
Adios amigos, happy new years to all!
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jfailing
Trad climber
Lone Pine
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Dec 28, 2011 - 06:37pm PT
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There's no doubt what the kid did is very impressive, but it sort of seems like the folks around him (parents, friends, guides involved) were really gunning for "the record."
When I was 10 years old, yeah I wanted to climb the highest peaks in each continent. I also wanted to go to the moon. And fly in the Millennium Falcon with Chewie and Han Solo.
How can a 10 year old grasp the enormity of all the variables involved with this "dream" of his? The idea may have been his, but it takes some pretty heavy motivation (and dough) to pull that sort of deal off...
I'm not hating, but I think that the Youngest Person EVAR to Climb the Seven Summits title sort of stinks.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 28, 2011 - 07:37pm PT
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Locker is a hater.
He hates the words coz wrote.
It's true .....:-)
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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Dec 28, 2011 - 07:58pm PT
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Thanks Eric. Hope you had a great holiday.
This guy is an obvious troll in which I got "trolled" in. I just didn't think stuff happened in a thread about a teenager.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Dec 28, 2011 - 08:09pm PT
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Funny to see some kid getting dissed on a climbing forum because he went climbing. What's next, people getting called trolls for posting TRs?
I think we can all at least agree that Fluorides hair looks great at 18,000ft!
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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Dec 28, 2011 - 08:17pm PT
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that was about 17K and I took my hat off to cool off (it's in my hand). But 5 days out it looked like that.
Alpine starts are a crazy thing but needed. Once the sun hits things warm up fast. Which is why you want to summit fast and get back down safely.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Dec 28, 2011 - 08:20pm PT
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I was just joking Fluoride (though your hair did look great). I know it's tough/cold/hard to breath up high. I personally hate being above 15,000 or so and swore off that kind of climbing.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 28, 2011 - 08:23pm PT
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Good porters, guides and lots of supplemental oxygen and most people with good cardio training can do it. Oh, and money. Lots of it.
Yet sadly really amazing true climbing accomplishments in the Karakoram, Patagonia, Greenland, etc fall by the wayside for crap like this.
Doing it, and not losing your toes or life are two different things. From Everest.net
Avalanches
Falling rocks
Crevasse falls
Other falls (including getting hit by falling climber)
Severe exhaustion/dehydration
Whiteout
Hurricane at 8600 m / 27000 ft
Lost tents
Frostnip
AMS
Pneumonia
Tropical and all kinds of other infections
To the above; witnessing accidents and deaths of other climbers.
The death percentage on Everest is currently around 5%. You can do a lot to minimize the statistics for yourself.
So beside being cold and bust ass, there are many dangers that no guide can protect you from fully. a 5% death rate means One in Twenty die.
So doing it when you're 13 is not nothing and to put that down is sorta petty. I know people who wouldn't think their teenagers could conquer the mist trail
Peace
Karl
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Dec 28, 2011 - 09:04pm PT
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did you lead any of it?
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Tan Slacks
climber
Joshua Tree
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Dec 29, 2011 - 01:33am PT
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This thread is killer!
I love Locker, he's the best and he ain't a hater, nor am I.
It is true that Paul could answer all the questions posed to him about his climbing style and trust me, your jaws would hit the floor. Trouble is, he don't care too. we communicated often via Skype while he was doing the north route and I wish I had his permission to explain what they did, but the ascent style was mind blowing. Even Coz, who I have defended many times over the last 30 years! would finally understand. Coz even you can imagine the amount of slander you caught over the years, but you also caught some praise.
I can't remember all the stuff stated earlier, but the reason Jordan picked the seven summits was because there is a mural in his elementary school with the seven summits listed. Jordan came home and asked his dad if he could do it. Paul and I were working together at the time. The coolest thing about Paul, is he never says it can't be done. he wouldn't say it to any of you and he would never say it to his son. it's pretty amazing and inspiring to be around.
I don't know many people that have inspired so many to push themselves in the outdoors as Paul and now Jordan have. They train harder and smarter than anyone I have ever known. Jordan doesn't hike when he trains he blasts up mountains and the 27 hour push he did on Everest was incredible for an adult, let alone a teenager. While other teams stopped and slept, they pushed on knowing the 2nd step may back up. They hit it in record time and I will never forget Paul describing the feeling as he watched Jordan ascend the step in the dark. Yes they each had a sherpa, no guide service was employed. I'm not 100 % sure about the logistics, but I recall Paul secured all the permits, equipment, transportation and money himself.
Did I mention that Paul works full time with me and while Jordan comes home from school and runs up and down his driveway with a huge tire harnessed to his back, paul will run laps around our station or spend hours on the stationary bike in between calls. He certainly is not a saint, he is just a positive man with tons of energy and a giving soul. I am sorry you can't all meet him, Jordan and Karen, listen to their stories and tag along on some of their training up in big bear. They invite anyone to join. They are too busy just doing it.
There are so many good things that happen here on supertopo, the caring and help when someone gets sick always blows me away. Living down the street from Todd Gordon, I have gotten to see first hand all the caring people who rally around people that need it. As I and we get older, it's that kind of stuff that makes me stay and participate in this forum.
Today the weather was insane nice, my daughter and I wondered around queen mountain. I pointed out a bunch of routes I used to be able to climb and named all the people I used to climb them with. we talked about Jordan and where he was this morning. She thinks it's amazing the good he is doing with kids and if I got a chance to talk to Jordan today he would probably talk about my Sierra and how amazing her dreams are.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Dec 29, 2011 - 02:27am PT
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Love your kids, keep an eye on them, and just hope and pray they are kept safe and from harm's way.....I have kids and everytime I get in the car with them I pray for safe passage. (especially with my driving...) Jordan is brave and his parents are brave too. Life is full of risks. Jordan and his story can inspire a generation of video-playing McDonald's eatin' kids to get out and shake it up......safe journey to Jordan and his family.......when I met him, he seemed like a fairly normal reasonable kid;.....which makes his superman feats even more meaningful......grab the tiger by the tail and the bull by the balls;.....it's all done by one step at a time;...something we can all do and have success with. Think and plan big and get big rewards......think and plan small and you get small rewards.......safe journey to Jordan and his family.
If you check out the posts that are challenging Jordan and his parent's decision to set and reach these goals,...it is all around Jordan's safety and well-being....which is a good thing to ponder....and Coz may seem like a "stick in the mud"...but he speaks from many experiences and with compassion......he's done more dangerous things in his life than almost anyone I know;.....and he's survived them all up to now;....I believe he wishes the same good fortune and good luck to Jordan and others like Jordan.....opportunities and good fortune.......
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Dec 29, 2011 - 10:28am PT
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they each had a sherpa, no guide service was employed
Whatever you say, but that's an inherently contradictory statement right there. As I said before, good for the young man, impressive cardio and logistical accomplishment. Now that he's finished with the hiking around in the snowy gullies bit, maybe you can take him to do some actual climbing.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Dec 29, 2011 - 10:35am PT
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When I met him in Joshua Tree, I invited him to go climbing;.....maybe Tan slacks, Jordan , myself, and his parents can go cragging someday;...he seemed interested.......
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andy@climbingmoab
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 29, 2011 - 10:53am PT
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Slagging on a kid for climbing a bunch of mountains is lame. The seven summits are a great adventure - let go of the media baggage and just think about how cool it is to climb the highest peak on each continent, the places you get to see, the people you get to meet, etc. I don't understand why anyone would want to slander somebody for going on that adventure. Hell, two people can put together a bare bones Everest trip for about the same as taking a family of four on a disney cruise twice a year for a few years. You don't have to be rich to do these big mountaineering trips - it just has to be a priority.
I like climbing walls and doing new routes on desert towers, "real climbing" whatever that means. I also had a great time putting together a private trip to climb Elbrus, the only one of the seven i've done, with my brother a few years ago. I learned to read cyrillic writing and speak some Russian, navigated the process to get my Russian visa, and then showed up in the Caucasus. Its a beautiful place - i'd love to go back and do some ski mountaineering there someday. I had a great time going out drinking with Russians vacationing in the valley and these two Bulgarians kids that had driven a beat up old car out there just so they could see Elbrus. The guided groups looked like they were enjoying themselves - not my thing, but I didn't bother them and they didn't bother me. The route was just a physically taxing hike with crampons, but watching the sun come up over Ushba, Donguzoran, and the other gnar peaks in the Caucasus that I wouldn't have otherwise ever seen was wonderful.
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Lokesh
Mountain climber
Big Bear California
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Dec 29, 2011 - 11:12am PT
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The team gets back in the states in a day or two.
Where the next "summit" is for them will be the interesting thing!
Here's a film I showed at the Big Bear fund raiser and send off for the expedition earlier this month:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYLbT0LffIk
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 29, 2011 - 11:54am PT
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Why there always the need for "next" summit.
If you've really reached the "summit" then there is no "next".
Must not have reach any summit yet ........
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AKDOG
Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
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Dec 29, 2011 - 12:19pm PT
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Yes they each had a sherpa, no guide service was employed.
Believe it or not, your prejudices aside Sherpa’s are well qualified to be guides. Imagine if some 15 y/o Sherpa kid was given the opportunity to climb the seven summits. Having climb in Nepal, I have nothing but respect for the Sherpa’s.
Taking nothing away from the accomplishment, adventure and cultural experience of climbing all the seven summits by 15, the kid’s greatest accomplishment is getting others to fund his vacations! Awesome! Having done a few, these trips are not cheap. Vinson would cost around $30K alone and if he has to haul his dad along even more. I think the kid is well on his way to being a very successful professional adventurer, congrats.
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Lokesh
Mountain climber
Big Bear California
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Dec 29, 2011 - 01:40pm PT
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Werner,
Hey, we've met a couple times over the years.
Next Summit meant....they are in uncharted waters now...and with the 7 summits so clearly defined and now behind them...it will be interesting to see where they take this success in defining their own "summits" and goals from here on out.
S.
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