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adatesman

climber

philadelphia, pa

Dec 26, 2011 - 01:42pm PT

IIRC, part of the 9mm Parabellum's anemia problem stems from the SAAMI spec for it being under the low end of what the cartridge was designed for/originally manufactured at. I'd have to look up the citation in my 'history of the Luger' book, but distinctly remember this being the case.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 26, 2011 - 01:47pm PT

Well I get .357 type velocities out of +P+ in a long barrel, but don't want to rattle my pistols to bits.

adatesman

climber

philadelphia, pa

Dec 26, 2011 - 02:50pm PT

Just FYI Rox, airguns have come a long way in recent years. I just picked up a fully supressed (and 100% legal) .22 breakbarrel to take care of the squirrel problem in the attic and unless you're within 20 feet it's pretty much background noise in spite of being able to punch holes in 3/4" plywood. Perhaps a bit underpowered for gopher, but we shoot quarter sized groups at 100' with it, which makes a cheap and enjoyable afternoon in the back yard.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 26, 2011 - 03:21pm PT

Jebus,
muggers are smarter than you think.
They don't jump out of alleys. Instead they approach you asking for a light, or directions, or the time, all the while closing the range and still sizing you up as a potential victim.

It is referred to as "the interview".

Little secret, even if you only have a folding knife on your right hip, if you present your left side, hold up your left hand telling him it is far enough to hear him while your right hand reaches back to your (hidden) knife, there is a very good chance that the body language will be sufficient to communicate your determination to prevail.
He will often seek a softer target.

As much as I like flunking interviews like that (and I have more than once) it does little for public safety if he just mugs somebody else.
Society actually benefits if the flow chart allows an avenue whereby such miscreants may be permitted, shall we say, to be hoisted on their own petard at the hands of a ready and able civilian.

Would it surprise you to learn that civilians commit more justifiable homicides than cops the USA?

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Dec 26, 2011 - 03:36pm PT

Would it surprise you to learn that civilians commit more justifiable homicides than cops the USA?

Why would that be a surprise? There are several hundred times as many "civilians" as there are police, even in the violence, gun, and law and order mad USA. If even 0.5% of civilians shoot someone with legal justification - as found by a court, that is - then that's still more than the police.

Noting that the police, and other emergency services, are just as much civilians as the rest of us, notwithstanding their paramilitary pretensions.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 26, 2011 - 03:58pm PT

Why would that be a surprise? There are several hundred times as many "civilians" as there are police, even in the violence, gun, and law and order mad USA. If even 0.5% of civilians shoot someone with legal justification - as found by a court, that is - then that's still more than the police.

Bwahaha.

Anders, I luv ya man, but figures lie and liars figure.

Take another look at your theory, what is there? A one perp shot per year quota for the cops? LOL

And everybody in gun mad USA armed??

I am all for hugging trees, but social engineering is merely a euphemism for denial of liberty.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Dec 26, 2011 - 04:08pm PT

"No man is an island".

Glad you liked my photo.

Anyway, what ARE the statistics? That is, the number of fatal shootings dones by the police in the USA each year, divided by the total number of police (you can include Phatty)? (Excluding shootings later found to be criminal in nature.) As compared to the number of shooting deaths made by US citizens that are legally justified (no criminal charges), divided by the number of US citizens, say those over 16?

How many people do the police in the US actually shoot each year? Let's see the breakdown - must be somewhere. Somehow I suspect that they use their guns less often than might be thought.

ionlyski

Trad climber

Kalispell, Montana

Dec 26, 2011 - 04:14pm PT

My trusty German made Weatherby 22-250. Seems my brother has it now and won't give it back.

I still don't have a handgun that's very pleasant to shoot. Started out with a cannon in the form of a Ruger Super Red 44 that was pure torture to shoot. Traded that in for a titanium Smith 357. A little better, especially if you shoot 38's in it, which is more fun per $ and less kick. The coolest part about it though is it's a 7 shot revolver, giving you that 1/7th extra security.

Arne

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 26, 2011 - 05:03pm PT

Some people will make the mistake of thinking a smaller lighter firearm gives less recoil.

I remember a friend bragging about an alloy .357 he just bought and how it would kick less.
I let him do a side by side comparison with the S&W Highway Patrolman.

He had instant buyer's remorse.

Marlow

Sport climber

OSLO

Dec 26, 2011 - 05:06pm PT

Fun? This is what gives meaning to a hunter:
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Wayno

Big Wall climber

Seattle, WA

Dec 26, 2011 - 05:48pm PT

^^^

Mmmm....jerky.....Can i have some warm liver?

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 26, 2011 - 06:02pm PT

So,.... you just think people should not be all sneaky with their CCWs?

ionlyski

Trad climber

Kalispell, Montana

Dec 26, 2011 - 06:24pm PT

Ron,
I had a pretty strong feeling I was going to receive a good kick from that light alloy made pistol and it did deliver. It is more manageable than the Ruger 44 mag but not much. I basically wince when squeezing off a full 357 round and only shoot the 38's. I can't hit anything with it more than 20yards but when hiking in grizzly country I do feel better with the full metal jacket 357 shells and yes they are expensive.

Arne

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 26, 2011 - 06:45pm PT

Arne,

I don't know what to tell you except GET A CARBINE!

(or even a pump shotgun)

If you are in Grizzly country what good is carrying an under powered wheel gun when you still can't shoot it accurately?

(I hope to work on pitching the idea of a "guide's gun" next year. Think pump with 16.5" rifled barrel chambered in .45-70, or even 20 bore slug gun)

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 26, 2011 - 07:47pm PT

I wish that worked here like it does in Israel, Jebus.

But we have pussies of the nanny state that freak out if they see an armed civilian and don't get me going about the cops (outside AK and maybe MT and WY)