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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 20, 2011 - 04:24pm PT
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So all you great protestors,
When do you think life begins?
I mean do you stand with biology and science that says "life begins at conception?"
Or are you all anti-science and just like murdering babies?
Skip
Personally I "just like murdering babies".
Honestly Skipt your latent fundamentalism and xenophobic racism constantly screams from the shadows of your twisted pseudo logic. Believe what You will but don't impose Yours on Others.
Having been intimately involved with my two children from conception through delivery my honest opinion is that life begins at birth when that new creation can breathe, suck and swallow on their own. Before that they are really more like parasites with potential. If you have the absolutist's belief that abortions are murder and women do not have free choice regarding their own bodies then I ask you in all sincerity how different are you than the extremists of other faiths and other countries that you so adamantly condemn?
Actually, don't bother Skippy. I don't expect you to even understand the question.
What I do expect is that you will pull some mistaken out of context nonsense out of this post and spew doodoo like you do.
It is a good thing that most of the world's intelligent believe that life begins at birth. Otherwise your fetus eating would be punishable as culinary gouache-ness.
Skipt why do you and Herman Cain approve of murder for dinner?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 20, 2011 - 04:24pm PT
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Thank God for the police brutality to show folks where we really stand with our alleged first amendment rights and ability to take protest to the streets. Blessings on the protesters who bravely take the sticks for our country.
For those who condemn the protesters, the same will happen to you if you take issue with the government/powers that be. Are you really so happy with our state of affairs? Perhaps a change in your fortunes would change your mind.
People sleep until their comfort is threatened, Then they wake up. Prepare for change as it's inevitable. The world economy has already been trashed and looted, the band-aids are just keeping us unaware until it's too late
Peace
Karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 20, 2011 - 04:26pm PT
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So when we have been screaming that Obama is in bed with Wall Street, bailing them out with trillions of dollars, and it needs to stop....
Where the f*#k have you been?
Skip
I'm right with you on that bro. What's your beef with OWS then? They are saying the same thing. Leave it to the liberals to do your own protesting for you and you get sore just because they are "The other side"
Peace
Karl
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 20, 2011 - 04:32pm PT
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Skipt you ignoRANT whore. Lame accusations make only you look like monkeypoo.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2011 - 04:38pm PT
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Gil Scott-Heron famously sang "The revolution will not be televised". He was right; it will be YouTubed. ha ha
What a difference hundreds of digital camera's make. No one would believe what goes down if they didn't have photographic evidence.
Back in the day - anti-war demonstrates were regularly beaten shitless (two cops pulled my friends legs apart while a third wailed on his nuts with a baton) but the comfortable middle class just couldn't believe that such things would happen in America.
But now the tide's turned a bit. Can't deny your own eyes. Even my 80 year old mom immediately wrote a letter demanding the Chancellor's resignation after seeing the video.
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGaoXAwl9kw&feature=related
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 20, 2011 - 05:01pm PT
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skipt wrote:
So when we have been screaming that Obama is in bed with Wall Street, bailing them out with trillions of dollars, and it needs to stop....
Where the f*#k have you been?
I've been there from the beginning. Where have you been?
You also need a history lesson, the bailout occurred during Bush's term, not Obama. Perhaps you were referring to the stimulus packing. In any case you wrote bailout, and then used and expletive, so you most certainly meant bailout. In which case I'll state again, that was proposed, voted on and signed during the Bush administration, prior to Obama taking office.
The problem is one of binary thinking (a carry over from GW's "you're either with us or against us"?). No worries you're not the only Republican (or Democrat for that matter) to exhibit this kind of thinking.
You've divided the world into to teams, yours (Republicans) and the other (Democrats). From this point of view you incorrectly assume that if someone criticizes your team they must by default be for the other team.
Anyway, I can't write that I started criticizing Obama on day one of his presidency, but less than one year in it was pretty clear that: 1)He was going to continue GW's foreign policy approach, although softer around the edges in discourse, and 2) He was never going to stand up and push the issues he campaigned on, instead capitulating to Republican demands even before they make them.
I've heavily criticized Obama, if you don't believe me, just read my post history.
What I don't understand are 2 things:
1) Why you are complaining when Obama is clearly governing from the center right. He's a Republican's wet dream, implementing conservative policies but receiving no criticism from the Democrats.
2) Why you think criticizing the right = support for Obama.
Obama is clearly in Wall Street's pocket, just look at who he appointed - one need look no further than Geitner (of course, so is most of the Republican party except for maybe Ron Paul) - or the weak regulatory infrastructure to ensure that Wall Street and the banks return to playing what should be a supporting role to business and industry.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Nov 20, 2011 - 05:26pm PT
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The nearly proper way to conduct a public demonstration.
1 stay on the sidewalk but keep moving
2. have a sign with a message
and
3. no sleep'n in tents, no poop'n, no frack'n, no do'n drugs, no murder.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 20, 2011 - 05:27pm PT
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Clearly CornHole has NO future in Graphic arts.
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
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Nov 20, 2011 - 05:29pm PT
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Why weren't all the haters telling the Tea Party folks to go get a job??
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Nov 20, 2011 - 05:29pm PT
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Every time you masturbate god kills a kitten.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Nov 20, 2011 - 05:30pm PT
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MeOw
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 20, 2011 - 05:30pm PT
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bookworm wrote:
"Have not read a post from you in the same vein with regard to the NBA strike/lockout. Why is that? If you think an English professor at one the USA's top universities is useless, then you must think NBA players are even more useless than useless."
huh?
You really don’t get it ?
You wrote this :
that i'm forced to work for because i lack any skills that might be conducive to gainful employment in the real world,
I interpreted the above to mean “useless” to society in terms of utility. I used the NBA example to point out another crowd of people whose area of employ is also “useless” in terms of utility to society.
Your statement carries even more irony given that you are an English teacher.
bookworm wrote:
actually, i think professional athletes who complain about working conditions that place them solidly in the 1% do not deserve any sympathy (i do have sympathy for the nfl players who sought pensions for players who suffered career-ending injuries or injuries that manifest later but are a direct result of their jobs); but, yes, i do think it's a sign of our society's misplaced values that these athletes are paid so much money...
I agree with you with regard to the above (anyone want to join me for a couple of hours of ice skating in hell tomorrow?)
bookworm wrote:
and i think millionaire actors and rock stars who claim "solidarity" with the 99% are only half as idiotic (since doing so clearly bolsters their careers) as the brainless protesters who continue to praise/worship them (i.e. michael moore)
2 honest questions:
1) Can one agree with / praise the message without necessarily having high regards for the messenger?
2) Other than anecdotal evidence, what proof do you have that the OWS protesters worship Michael Moore (or any other celebrity for that matter)?
bookworm wrote:
actually, i'm an english teacher...in a public high school...this weekend, like most weekends, i will spend about 6-8 hours grading papers, trying to give my students the skills they will need to succeed in whatever career they choose: critical thinking and coherent writing...
It’s so bizarre that you would sh#t on your own profession. Why did you do that? Do you realize that his choice of careers and his choice to write a letter to the chancellor asking for her resignation are two different things?
bookworm wrote:
my colleagues who support ows don't even assign essays or, if they do, don't critique them; rather, they assign "service awareness" projects and ask the kids to make posters and express how they feel
What do your colleagues’ choice of teaching techniques and the OWS protestors have to do with each other?
bookworm wrote:
that "associate professor" claims the students should be allowed to determine what form their protests take...you don't see anything dangerous in that? the fact is, the chancellor is NOT denying them freedom of speech or freedom to gather; she is placing limitations (which scotus has ruled, repeatedly, institutions are permitted to do) on these rights to ensure they do not interfere with the rights of others--like students who want to attend class
Those police officers would never have intervened in that manner if they did not have the green light to do so. If the chancellor had made it clear that the protestors were not to be brutalized in any way as long as the protestors remained peaceful (as they did), this never would have happened.
bookworm wrote:
and i believe in my right to protect myself from a government that is trying to take away my rights, but i don't believe i have the right to provoke the government into "taking away my rights" (which the police/chancellor are not doing) then complain, cry, or retaliate when they enforce the laws/rules that i am breaking
In the UCD case the protestors (students and other) were peacefully exercising their 1st amendment rights. What about that do you not understand?
A tea party member to a gun to a town hall meeting Obama was holding, not a peep from you then, yet you cry foul with the OWS peaceful protest at UCD?
Once again, you’re confusing 2 issues that should not be confused:
1) The act of peacefully protesting
2) The reason for the protest
It is possible to support #1 and to not agree with #2.
I supported the Tea Party’s right to protest even if I disagree with their reason.
bookworm wrote:
and, as others have pointed out, the ows anger is misdirected...
In continuing with my statement above, who cares? The issue with this thread is police brutality against peaceful protestors exercising their 1st amendment rights.
Are you really stating that the message must be focused, clear and in accordance with what you (bookworm) or “others” agree with in order to be able to exercise 1st amendment right?
That can’t be possible, so I’ll ask again, what do OWS protestors reasons (valid, misdirected, or whatever) for peacefully protesting have to do with being brutalized by the police?
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corniss chopper
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Nov 20, 2011 - 05:38pm PT
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Pile-o - OWS's disgusting message of anarchy for anarchy's sake is not
something sane people attach themselves to.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 20, 2011 - 06:20pm PT
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Tried on any new bras lately, Corniss?
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Nov 20, 2011 - 06:24pm PT
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Pile-o - since 99% of the country is annoyed at the OWS you all
have only 3 possible scenarios in your future-
1 -go home and be ignored.
2- conduct protests lawfully without
violating the civil rights of your fellow citizens and be ignored.
3- be arrested and ignored in a jail cell as you wash pepper spray out of
yer eyeballs.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Nov 20, 2011 - 06:32pm PT
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Thanks Sully, I aim to please.
Edit: Neat, Lil Skippy learned how to post photos. Good on ya, fella.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 20, 2011 - 06:34pm PT
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At first it was Puppy Love
And then it got serious:
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 20, 2011 - 06:37pm PT
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But then, Republicans have long held hands, kissed, and bowed to foreigners"
Part of his "apology tour" when he tried to be President
SUCH an embarrassment, apologizing and bowing and kissing.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Nov 20, 2011 - 06:38pm PT
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"UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza told reporters Saturday that the decision to use the pepper spray was made at the scene. "The students had encircled the officers," she said. "They needed to exit. They were looking to leave but were unable to get out."
My favorite part of this chicken sh#t excuse was the videos clearly showing officers casually stepping over the line of sitting students shortly before spraying them. Clearly the powers that be would prefer to spin this as a necessary self defense. George Orwell would be proud.
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