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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Access to the clif notes of the Tempsest in the wrong hands is a tedious thing
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 13, 2014 - 07:44pm PT
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^^^^coward
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 13, 2014 - 09:02pm PT
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Why? To cause the breakdown of the nuclear family, to pave the road for a Brave New World.
Huxley and Orwill lived through, and tried to warn of the dangers of State-ism. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis also dove into it in a more indirect manner.
These guys lived through the scourge of totalitarianism firsthand. They witnessed how they State slowly grabs control (in Italy, Germany, and Eastern Europe) and at first, convinces people how awesome it is, until the State can then assume ultimate control. Works the same way every time, whether it's Socialism, Fascism, or Communism.
The common denominators are repressing individualism, personal liberty, and assuming control of the economy.
Regarding the erosion of the cohesive (nuclear) family unit independent from the State, this is a trademark strictly from the Socialist/Communist playbook. This is how they erode the will of the people to become reliant on the State as 'the Family'.
Don't believe me? Read the Communist Manifesto and the Venona Papers. Their explicit goals, amongst others, were to do away with a common religion (an "opiate of the masses" that conjoined people), and to disintegrate the nuclear family. Both things, family and religion, were impediments to full State control of an independent, free people.
I've said it before, I'll say it again, I hate Commies and State-ists.
If you can't see that this is happening now, and the goal of our current leaders, you're either stupid or a commie.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 13, 2014 - 09:05pm PT
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coward
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 13, 2014 - 09:10pm PT
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Why am I a coward, Norton? Because you commies are being exposeed for what you are?
Progressive is a synonym for Communist/Socialist. You guys just know that you had to change your name to keep the bullsh#t-train going.
The game is over. You think by calling me a name I will be silent?
Really?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 13, 2014 - 09:13pm PT
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odd you would think I was talking about you Bluering
by the way, you get to call me a "commie" when you serve this country in a fuking jungle as I did 40 years ago
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Yak-Chik
Trad climber
Phoenix
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Feb 13, 2014 - 09:14pm PT
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Not sure if it is such an onerous demand putting up with
Liberals emotional-tone-deafness for murdering their own children.
One less Liberal right? The science is still open if they are
unconsciously compelled by their bad genes to self limit their
populations with abortions.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 13, 2014 - 09:21pm PT
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by the way, you get to call me a "commie" when you serve this country in a fuking jungle as I did 40 years ago
No, I can call out your policy whenever I want BECAUSE we are still free to do so. But your service is obviously to be respected.
Unlike John Kerry.
This isn't a pissing match to who served more BITD. It's more of a discussion of our current trajectory.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 13, 2014 - 09:31pm PT
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Not sure if it is such an onerous demand putting up with
Liberals emotional-tone-deafness for murdering their own children.
One less Liberal right? The science is still open if they are
unconsciously compelled by their bad genes to self limit their
populations with abortions.
Well, that is one way to look at it. I smell sarcasm and cynicism.
Ask a liberal "pro-choice" person what they'd think if their Mom chose to have a second-term abortion on them?
The bigger picture is a disregard for the most innocent among us. Killing them. Babies.
Many people are running through hoops to adopt babies and children. There are "choices" that are better than slaughtering little baby lives.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 13, 2014 - 10:48pm PT
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Huxley and Orwill lived through, and tried to warn of the dangers of Right Wing Authoritarism. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis also dove into it in a more indirect manner.
These guys lived through the scourge of Right wing totalitarianism firsthand. They witnessed how they State slowly grabs control (in Italy, Germany, and Eastern Europe) and at first, convinces people how awesome it is, until the State can then assume ultimate control. Works the same way every time, whether it's capitalism, Fascism, or Right Wing Stalinist Communism.
The common denominators is the Right Wing repressing individualism, personal liberty, and assuming control of the economy.
You're entitled to your own crazy rantings, but most literary scholars would disagree with your assessment of their works. As the authors would themselves.
Have read their works? Do you think you're clever for wrongly distorting their intents?
It's rather easy to pull bullshit out of your ass, but it doesn't make it accurate.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 13, 2014 - 11:00pm PT
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Blue
You do know ....
That 9 times out of 10 Dr F is always wrong ......
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 13, 2014 - 11:04pm PT
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I understand this, Werner. But I dislike it when people distort somewhat classical works of modern literature.
I won't let it stand.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 13, 2014 - 11:17pm PT
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Yeah, I never watch that show. I've seen it briefly, and turned it off.
It's social programming.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 13, 2014 - 11:20pm PT
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Thanks for the laughs!
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Feb 14, 2014 - 12:46am PT
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No distortion blue. Dr. Fs assessment of OrwEll is spot on. Lit major at UCLA and about a hair breathes awaynfrom going intoma doctorate program, so I think I'm pretty well read.
BTW, don't mistake the right's free market approach as an example of their claimed belief in a small, less restrictive government. Sure they like little regulation of business but they favor less individual rights, such broader search and seizures, eliminating Miranda rights, a woman's right to choose, forcing school prayer, the desth penalty. Sounds big brotherish to me.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2014 - 08:20am PT
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and so it begins...
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79305983/
now where do i begin? with my old pal, f, of course
"the Right Wingers that rule by totalitarism, including Russian and Red Chinese Communism"
stalin and mao were right-wingers? i swear, f, i think you're just having fun because nobody could be that idiotic (the ucla-indoctrinated, aside)... but i'm resisting the urge to educate you because i know it will be a waste time
"Lit major at UCLA [that explains everything] and about a hair breathes awaynfrom going intoma doctorate program, so I think I'm pretty well read"
i'll assume you were drunk typing... still, you have another think coming:
favor less individual rights: actually, it's FEWER rights (and LESS freedom), but i digress...it's right-wingers who fight to keep our rights--to bear arms, to speak/think/worship freely, to encourage the press to challenge power, etc...libs, on the other hand, want to limit these rights...libs want to eliminate gun ownership (as did stalin, mao, and hitler); libs have implemented speech codes on college campuses and invent new words to hide their intents (as did stalin, mao, and hitler) such as "reproductive health" to refer to killing babies, "leading from behind" to color barry's cowardice, "job lock" to excuse barrycare's deincentivizing work for greater government largesse, and claiming any and all criticism of barry is "racist"...it's also barry who avoids/restricts/ abuses the press
broader search and seizures and eliminating Miranda rights: it's conservatives rand paul, ted cruz, and mike lee who are protesting barry's expansion of the patriot act and it's barry who is assassinating american citizens without declaring formal charges, acquiring arrest warrants, and allowing a fair and public trial
a woman's right to choose: i'll assume you want abortion any time under any circumstances so it's a matter of timing; conservatives absolutely believe every woman has a right to choose whether she has a baby; we simply believe she should make that choice BEFORE she has sex rather than after and that convenience is not a legitimate reason for terminating a life...concerning rape and the mother's health, it's still a matter of timing but different context; i believe life and "personhood" begin at conception so an abortion is killing a human being--an innocent human being...until you can prove conception does not instantly create a human being, i can't condone abortion at any time
forcing school prayer: actually, allowing school prayer; nobody can "force" you to pray; nobody can impose their beliefs on you unless you are too weak-minded even to ignore them...see no amount of reason, facts, truth, etc. are going to persuade you your entire world view is wrong (partly because you don't believe in right and wrong) so why are you so frightened by an elementary school child passing out christmas cards to classmates or a school choir concert that highlights christmas carols or a sculpture of the 10 commandments on the courthouse lawn?
the desth penalty: actually, i'm opposed, but i do believe in "cruel and unusual punishment" for heinous crimes like raping and murdering a child...you libs want to make sure child rapists/murderers are comfortable in prison and allowed to vote...granted, there's nothing stalinist about that position; it's just absurd
by the way, "lit majors" (unlike english majors) don't believe that literature has any "meaning" so your support of f's meaning is tantamount to a direct refutation of all you've been taught (so maybe there is hope for you...)
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 17, 2014 - 09:12am PT
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.....zzzzz...
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Feb 17, 2014 - 09:19am PT
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Haha, I have successfully resisted being troll into this thread and haven't posted anything....hahah!
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