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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mr Stannard, I would invoke a policy of 'renewed American manufacturing'. This idea of outsourcing jobs to Asia and South-Asia started under Clinton, continued strong under Bush, and still continues.
Half of my crew fears for their jobs in 2-5 years.
Create incentives to bring manufacturing back here. Tax breaks and tariffs (if needed).
STOP ILLEGAL HIRING! This is easy if you actually want to do it. And yeah, Bush failed here too.
Plug corporate tax loopholes that allow companies to pay minimal taxes here. Pay up, bitches!
Plug ALL tax loopholes for crafty rich-folk.
Allow only 2 years of welfare before a serious review of job worthiness. Maybe less.
Make sure healthcare is not delivered to illegal immigrants, unless life/death situations are at stake.
Stop illegal immigration. It is killing us in many ways.
EDIT: John, you pussy! Answer the question.
I'll answer yours;
I knew you would equivocate Blue.
You never answer the hard questions.
Oh, I don't? How about you?
Would you give up your social security?
Yes, if I could start diverting funds to a 401K-type plan, which I already have.
What about the FBI?
No. LEO doesn't get cut. The one thing the Fed/State SHOULD be responsible for.
The EPA?
Dead.
The FDA?
Almost dead. Greatly reorganized and downgraded. They are in the pockets of Big-Pharma...
You ready to end all that?
Not only that, but DHS, Dept of Energy, Dept of Education, and more...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Step back from the cactus!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Bluet..Let's keep the tea baggers in the proper light...they are a bunch of paranoid , weasle- like , narcs..They love to partake in the prosperity that is America but spew forth false information that takes the rest of America down...What a bunch of whiny sob's.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Have you been partaking as well?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Whose fault do you think it is? Tell me.
We could start with lowering taxes while increasing government and starting two wars. That added 5 trillion to the national debt and is still adding debt.
Now answer my questions.
Would you give up social security and medicare?
Would you end the FBI?
Would you end the EPA?
Would you end the FDA?
Would you end the ATF?
If you do? and you try to cover this with the states. How would you pay for it?
And by the way, if you don't end social security, then that would make you a socialist. So which is it?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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See my above post, above the cactus...
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jstan
climber
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Half of my crew fears for their jobs in 2-5 years.
That's great Blue. Let's start with your crew being laid off. Here is an interesting plot on taxes.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/12/06/chart-of-the-day-u-s-taxes/
The next darker blue is the direct taxation of the corporations as a percentage of GDP while the much larger light blue come from payroll taxes and pensions. The quickest way for a corporation to reduce the light blue area is to lay off workers. If they could lay off all workers in the US that tax would become very small and at least the forward going cost of pensions/401K would go away.
The next darker blue area indicates corporations are paying much less direct tax than ever before. Now if all the corporate profits went directly to stockholders I could buy the argument that taxing both the stockholder and the corporation is double taxation. But the stockholders in fact get next to nothing. Let me make a proposition.
The corporations claim to be a person. Let's tax them as people and maybe reduce that light blue area to compensate. That will lessen the desire to lay off people. Presently we tax capital gains(on stock) at 15%. Suppose we remove the taxes on savings deposits retired people are trying to live on and remove the tax on owning stock. Make up for that with a tax on direct corporate earnings. Before Nixon savings interest was not taxed. If we did that we could do away entirely with that godawful expensive thing we call the IRA. All your savings would earn tax free. They would be the same as a Roth IRA.
When you get ancient and doddery you will find out just what incredible hoops the IRA forces everyone to jump through. It isn't pretty.
thinkaboutit
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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TGT...No partaking other than being on unemployment , SS , welfare , and killing it on the stock market...Now i know what fatty is talking about...!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jstan, what is your point? Be specific.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Taxes are down, but the economy is still in the tank. Thats his point.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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No, John, spending hasn't been cut enough and the debt ceiling raise allows us to continue on a path of economic destruction....
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Moosie...now I know what you are trying to say...Lowering taxes on the higher earners didn't create jobs...And i trusted those rich people..?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Economic destruction...? Burn , burn , burn....
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Blue wrote: Jstan, what is your point? Be specific.
You wouldn't understand specific or not.
Americans and corporations have the lowest tax burden in the last two years. American corporations are holding onto large amount of cash and still haven't hired workers back.
What is it that you don't understand?
You constantly are against the left when you are part of an extreme right wing part of the republican party. You do not represent moderate Americans.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Blue wrote,
They can't take it from anybody else, so as typical Leninists, you bleed the rich. Afterall, they didn't earn anything. Gates and Jobs just happened upon wealth.
So tell me. why have the rich kept getting richer, even when their tax rate was 90 percent? You walk around so afraid of taxing the wealthy a tiny bit more, when their taxes are well below any other first world country and they are still rich.
To whom much is given, much is required.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Yes RJ.. the wealthy do not create jobs. Jobs are created by demand. When the people have money, then there is demand. The best way to achieve this is with a strong middle class.
Fatty touted Russ as a great example of a capitalist. But he wasn't rich. He saw a need and decided to try and fill it. He does a good job of filling that need, so he increased the demand for his product, which allowed him to hire others. Those jobs weren't created by the wealthy. They were created by the demand for a product, and then someone deciding to try and fill that demand.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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jstan
climber
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Blue:
You must not have read what I wrote. The tax structure puts a premium on laying people off. Other than taxes and required expenditures for labor the corporation are getting off paying no taxes at all.
How do i get more specific than that? This is an approach you should be interested in if you don't want people all being laid off.
Have you never been involved in a negotiation where you weight several options?
Interesting.
TGT is now shouting his Lakoffisms. In blue yet.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 10, 2011 - 12:01am PT
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Blue..the tea baggers are a bunch of co-dependent dupes manipulated by the kochs and other uber-rich americans that con you into voting against raising taxes on them so that you can pay more taxes....kind of like the friend with the big bank account that always forgets his wallet when you go to the liquor store...Why do you continue to believe that the Koch brothers like you...? Fight the power..!
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