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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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Jun 13, 2011 - 08:00pm PT
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With the largest military in the world, its hard to see how there is any worry about that. But then there are plenty of folks who worry.
Lots of people worried that the public may decide to cutoff the gravy train.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 13, 2011 - 11:28pm PT
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"All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting."
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Jun 13, 2011 - 11:40pm PT
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The face of war changes constantly.
Great big scary machines are no match for a desperate man who has nothing more to do than die for justice.
Using great force to fight ideas is great foolishness. Better to talk to the man, listen to him, help him to find a little justice somewhere.
I'm not all peace and passive though. We just need to stop killing our own kind. We definitely need to arm-up for the day when the bugs come. (Starship Troopers)
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 13, 2011 - 11:43pm PT
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The largest holder of US debt is the United States Federal Reserve, NOT China.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 13, 2011 - 11:44pm PT
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Navies have always been incredibly expensive and controversial since Themistocles convinced the Athenians that a huge capital outlay was a good idea. Turns out Salamis proved him correct.
“Without the Athenian navy there would have been no Parthenon, no tragedies of Sophocles or Euripides, no Republic of Plato or Politics of Aristotle. Before the Persian Wars Athens produced no great traditions of philosophy, architecture, drama, political science, or historical writing. All these things came in a rush after the Athenians voted to build a fleet and transform themselves into a naval power in the early fifth century B.C.” (xxiv-xxv).
The more things change the more they stay the same.
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/US-Navy-drones-Coming-to-a-carrier-near-China-1381005.php
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 13, 2011 - 11:47pm PT
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So what say you, Norton???
dOOd...
What do you mean when you say "we"?
Your only post to this ridiculous thread was an expression of admiration for an image of an AWACS aircraft you couldn't identify.
Do i really have to respond to this....???
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 13, 2011 - 11:50pm PT
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just correcting a common current misconception posted earlier on this thread, Bluering
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 13, 2011 - 11:53pm PT
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Apperently, BoobyT is a troll,
come fly with us....
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Jun 14, 2011 - 12:29am PT
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im not sure if this thread's a typical st trainwreck, or a bad piece of dada.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Jun 14, 2011 - 01:06am PT
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Athenian navy
Got toasted by the Persians. Fortunately the Athenians knew how to swim. The Persians did not.
Thus it was adaptability and swimming skills that overcame brute force. The Persians gave up and went home despite winning the war of force.
"Violence is the last resort of the incompetent." --Asimov
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 14, 2011 - 10:22am PT
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Honest, I don't get it.
We've all been hip to that for quite some time now, skip. :-)
I always figured the carrier was doomed when they started naming them after politicians.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 14, 2011 - 10:46am PT
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Uh, Spider,...... Starship Troopers
Did we see the same movie?
The bugs never "came". The humans started it and (if you checked out the director's commentary) the humans were the villains!
The message of the film was that war makes fascists of us all.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jun 14, 2011 - 12:13pm PT
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BoobyT is a troll? Because he posted links to articles by actual experts, instead of posting links to YouTube videos followed by exclamations of "Wow" or "Cool" or "BadAss".
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Jun 14, 2011 - 12:31pm PT
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boobyt's paulsen thesis from 1998 concludes that carriers are swell.
the isenberg piece is an old, pre-asym/peacekeeping era piece that argues that nuclear warfare has made carriers obselete that gives us a glimpse of an argument that was on the fringe in the 1980s.
the patch piece is more directly useful, but doesn't engage the more recent lit on carriers, power projection, and asym/nsas.
someone's been googling as fast as they can w/o doing any real reading or digging.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jun 14, 2011 - 12:32pm PT
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The Chinese didn't build the aircraft carrier. It was built by Russia. The Chinese bought and finished fitting it out.
Much like the Chinese spacecraft are essentially copied from the Russian Soyuz.
As for the Athenian fleet - it did OK against the Persians, but lost against the Spartans.
Slavedriver on Roman galley: "Crew, I have some good news, and some bad news. First, the good news. You'll all get an extra ration for lunch. Now, the bad news. The captain wants to go water skiing after lunch."
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 14, 2011 - 12:47pm PT
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Property of North Korea:
Property of North Viet Nam:
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 14, 2011 - 12:53pm PT
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Although those are sitting on a carrier they're knott carrier planes.
You're engaging in thread drift Chaz. That's how things escalate, ya know. ;-)
Is this the start of WWIII?
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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Jun 14, 2011 - 06:54pm PT
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_carrier#China
"China bought the unfinished Soviet aircraft carrier Varyag in 2001 from Ukraine, supposedly to turn it into a floating casino."
Wikipedia doesn't cite a source, so maybe somebody just made this up. But it still makes me laugh.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 6, 2011 - 02:18pm PT
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iannonymous, that is awesome. Very proud.
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