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wallrat
Trad climber
San Diego CA
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Sounds like it's time for the brownshorts to finally and once-and-for-all ban all climbing in the Ditch. That'll stop that limbing.
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ian harlen
Mountain climber
California
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Thanks for the thoughtful post. 2 points: illegal limbing and burning does damage our reputation, and as most of you know, over the years climbing has received widely varying degrees of support from YNP. Secondly, these actions fly in the face of the respect we should feel for the land we climb in, and it sets a poor example for others. I hate the thought that this "clearing the way" ethic might be exported to other, more sensitive habitats, for instance up to the Gates of the Arctic, where less resilient, and more important as nesting habitat dwarf willow and birch may be found "cluttering up" a belay stance?
Thanks for your consideration.
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finbrain
Boulder climber
Clearwater
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Heck, if Mr. Bigwall cannot handle having a few branches get in his way, does that mean he's going to bolt his way to the top and screw nature? Then instead of cutting out the "obstruction", GO HOME and think about that climbers are out there for the wilderness experience.
INEXCUSABLE!
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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lame
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Jun 10, 2011 - 03:58pm PT
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Jesse. Thanks for posting this thread. Just now catching up on my reading. I appreciate this and all the threads you have provide as the voice of NPS management in the climbing community. Too many people wish to polarize this relationship. It's good to have someone like you with the guts and good communication skills to wade into the fray and take the crap.
The rules are there for good reason.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Jun 11, 2011 - 07:59pm PT
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EveryBody knows it's Nanook who's cutting the limbs and power drilling on El Cap, Jesse just didn't want to call him out. . .
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Gene
climber
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Jun 14, 2011 - 05:21pm PT
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Chongo is tailor made
Nice
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jun 14, 2011 - 06:39pm PT
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FACT: As long as you all get the main point which is this: don't so much as trim a twig that will grow right back with your fingernail tweezers. It's still fine for the national park service to bulldoze the trees, blow up the boulders and pave over half the F*ing park when and where they want. They CAN and will.
God forbid anyone not learn their place in the new society. Don't step out of line or the man will squash you back in your place.
Now all you Taco heads straighten the F* up, shut yur mouths and get back in line.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jun 14, 2011 - 07:06pm PT
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couchmaster,
Stay on that couch dude and work thru those anger issues. While I think most would agree that NPS maintenance can be heavy handed, that's a completely separate issue.
I thank Jesse for his post and hope the practice stops.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 14, 2011 - 07:29pm PT
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couch is right on!
Not to condone abuse by climbers, but the NPS has a poor record of treading lightly.
You should see all the totally unnecessary bolts (placed with a power drill of course) that the Zion clusterphuque squad have drilled.
Sometimes a well crafted trail preserves resources.
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scoob
Mountain climber
auburn, ca
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Jun 17, 2011 - 02:21am PT
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Let me compare and contrast/jesus and spiderman...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 17, 2011 - 03:21am PT
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Let us never forget that there was serious consideration given to putting a
tram to the top of Half Dome. Of course, no trees would have been harmed
by doing so.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jun 17, 2011 - 09:47am PT
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couchmaster,
Stay on that couch dude and work thru those anger issues
Not angry, just a tad tongue in cheek over the massive NPS hypocrisy. This trimming is minor bullsh#t. It will grow back. Oh, it's wrong, no doubt, but tiny in comparison to what the officials do. I still like Hollyclimbers take. She walked by, saw this(not a pun Ron:-) scene happening, and essentially said "What are you doing dumbass?...Well knock it off."
Take care all
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jun 17, 2011 - 12:23pm PT
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Wouldn't the tram have been to Glacier Point?
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Jun 17, 2011 - 04:22pm PT
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Sentinel, Mighty Anders. And supported by none other than Ansel Adams.
And on another subject I am wondering if the de-limbing was caused by a film crew trying to set up the trail for a walking camera...
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rangerdanger
Mountain climber
john muir hotel
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Jun 18, 2011 - 04:10am PT
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So if Jesse knew all along who it was, it seems to me that he just wants to serve out his own justice by hoping that at some point someone would snitch (Bulwinkle, Matt) him out on this thread as punishment.
Stay classy guys
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Jun 18, 2011 - 06:29am PT
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When the Park Service wants to put in parking lots, bridges, widen roads, etc. they have to submit a plan that is open to comments, and their plans can be fought (albeit not always successfully).
But if one person can slink around making Yosemite into his vision of an ornamental Japanese garden--with bonsai trees, bivy terraces and "friendlier" routes with extra power-drilled bolts--who gets to have their say about it, and what's to stop everyone from having a go at "perfecting" Yosemite?
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Jun 18, 2011 - 03:21pm PT
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I was actually thinking about this thread while doing the north dome descent recently... Yes there are some limbed trees, but not many. There were plenty of haul bag toppling limbs in place as well. I was wondering who besides dead tired climbers struggling down that "trail" would ever see those?
I can understand concerns about areas where the "normal public" is likely to come across some impacts that could have been made by climbers... but when I look at it from that perspective, I start thinking about all the buses, the loud motorcycles rumbling through the valley unchecked (I really dislike these, fyi.) the inadequate tent camping situation in the valley and on and on. When I think about all those negatives that over time have become part of an accepted, encroaching degradation of the wilderness experience in the Valley, a few limbed trees seems a tad trite to me.
I would also like to voice my support for improved access trails to some route bases. It's no secret that over time these are one of the worst impacts climbers can have on an area and improving them instead of allowing them to become ad hoc drainage routes is a good move and one that climbers (me included) should be willing to put in some sweat equity to help maintain access.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Jun 18, 2011 - 06:43pm PT
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"Managed Park" does not a wilderness make...
Don't cut 'em out of boredom or respite, let GAIA (and her human foot tramplers) decide the fate of fauna.
Taking a saw into a National Park?
Is that technically even "Legal?
If they/saws are allowed in by the Park regulations (back country hiking/back-packing, etc...) , then the OP seems to be in what is called "Slippery Slope" Country.
Simple matter, but too dramatic to not read...
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