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nature
climber
Kovalum Kerala India
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Apr 12, 2011 - 09:41pm PT
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it's insane trying to get black coffee in India. They look at me like I'm a kook. half the time it would show up with sugar in it. After going to the same place time and time again they'd finally get what I meant by black coffee. They still didn't understand and you could tell by the look on their face.
What I found is that you simply beat your head against a wall if you try and discuss diet and the importance to someone who isn't open to thinking about it. Generally it takes some sort of life altering condition to change that sort of attitude. I suppose that just demonstrates the weakness of the human psych. It's pretty simple but so many seem to have ridiculous excuses why to ignore diet. you get out of your body what you put into it.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 12, 2011 - 09:46pm PT
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You do get out of your body what you put into it and there is no "correct" diet. Going raw, vegan the paleo diet all have their adherents with impressive data proving their points. I watch my diet and also strive to keep eating as one of the delights of the human experience.
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
In the mountains... somewhere...
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Apr 12, 2011 - 10:01pm PT
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I'm going with Jim on this one.
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nature
climber
Kovalum Kerala India
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Apr 12, 2011 - 10:04pm PT
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anyone that has stepped to my sushi bar knows I delight in foods. I agree that there is no correct diet. But there are many incorrect diets. Perhaps the worse of all is the seefood diet.
See Food - eat it ;)
Riley... you won't find any wolves at my sushi bar so just move along. Weed.... on the other hand.... maybe.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 12, 2011 - 10:24pm PT
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See food, eat it- I like that. I also enjoy checking out what people are buying in the grocery checkout line- one of the many reasons for my despair concerning America's future.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 12, 2011 - 11:07pm PT
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Micronut wrote
You say Pot's healthy.
I say it aint.
I didn't say that, I cited an article that pointed to studies that indicated it didn't cause cancer or COPD like tobacco does, in response to something somebody posted.
I think most things in moderation are fine, but certainly believe that excess alcohol has worse physical and social effects than excess weed. Any honest science should back that up in spades.
Captain Scully wrote
Food is NOT a drug. That's just dumb, Karl. Food is Food. Fuel.
Sustenence. Can you dig it?
It might be important to define what we mean by "Drug" What I mean is that food determines how we feel each moment and affects our health long and short term. It's pretty obvious how we can numb ourselves with a fatty meal, take comfort in a bar of chocolate (Ladies back me up here) and the cumulative effect of our diet is more profound than most drugs we take.
Peace
Karl
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micronut
Trad climber
fresno, ca
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Apr 12, 2011 - 11:33pm PT
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Karl,
I didn't mean to put words into your mouth.
I think both of those points are valid. I'll fully go on record saying cigarettes are worse for the body than pot. I don't think pot is evil and I'd even rather see a patient use it medicinally than many of the meds docs throw at them...oxycontin, antipsychotics, Lithium...etc.
I think Americans are lazy and apathetic, that's what's killing them.
Its not hormones in cows milk, it aint red dye number 40, or microwave radiation. Not diabetes, not cancer, not heart disease.
The real killer these days is good ol fashioned sloth. Of the body and the mind.
Oh, and hip-hop. Hip hop is killing our children.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
My ready room
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Apr 12, 2011 - 11:35pm PT
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Right on, Karl. I can dig it.
I should've joined the breeders cup, huh? I'm not very hippy hoppy.
More hoppy than hippy.
Naw.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Mill Valley, CA
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Apr 12, 2011 - 11:36pm PT
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I think dub step is killing our children... ;-)
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Apr 13, 2011 - 12:37am PT
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A friend of mine is vegan. Before she "turned" into one, she had lost quite a bit of weight by eating sensibly, however, once she began eating totally vegan she gained more weight. Her reason, it isn't necessarily low calorie nor low in carbs, hence her gaining the weight back.
The whole vegan thing seemed a crock to me, she was better off before.
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monolith
climber
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Apr 13, 2011 - 12:38am PT
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There are many ways to eat badly as a vegan.
Highly processed foods, stimulants, salt, spices, sugar, high fat, superfoods, not enough calories, undercarbed, underhydrated.
The closer you get to just simple fruit,vegs,greens, the better. Most can't get their overnight, just little changes here and there eventually add up over time, even if you never fully get there.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Mill Valley, CA
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Apr 13, 2011 - 01:51am PT
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Yes, Karen, some of the vegetarians I know eat so much junk. Cheezits are vegetarian...
It was the book The China Study that the OP wrote about that steered me toward looking into veganism. When I am in my healthiest state, I eat purely whole foods, mostly vegetables, fruits, seeds and nuts and virgin oils. A few legumes, and a little whole grain. But I try to stay away from grains. In my unhealthy state I am a sugarholic. Far worse for me than meat. And sugar is vegan.
I am surprised how much of the time I am happy to stay away from meat/animals/fish, but then, there are times I just have to have a burger and then I eat one. I surely do not have the best answer for every body and I don't think anyone does. I have tried all the eating plans, believe me. This is the one I feel the best on. My accupuncturist thinks I shouldn't be a vegan at all, by the way.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Mill Valley, CA
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Apr 14, 2011 - 11:49pm PT
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Thanks S.Leeper
great post
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Captain...or Skully
climber
My ready room
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Apr 15, 2011 - 05:55pm PT
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I'll be sure to let you know, DMT.
Vegans......HA!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 15, 2011 - 06:03pm PT
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Turns out I couldn't completely forsake milk with my coffee, but have now switched from lattes to something that sounds similar to 'solo mariachi' (I'm so uninitiated).
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FrankZappa
Trad climber
80' from the Hankster
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Apr 15, 2011 - 06:34pm PT
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Been interested in this sort of thing for awhile. "The food revolution" is a pretty good book too (but the author is sort of a tool...).
A few basic rules I stick to:
1)No processed food.
2)Very little dairy(a little cheese here and there.)
3)Meat- I hunt and kill my own meat; this is the only meat I consume, and consume it in small portions. Humans only need about 1/2 pound of meat per week to get the proper nutrients, and if you get that meat from the store, it is likely to be from an unhealthy, steroid-injected, animal who has been wallowing in its own feces.
4)Don't eat the yellow snow!
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S.Leeper
Sport climber
Pflugerville, Texas
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Apr 18, 2011 - 09:44pm PT
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Thanks S.Leeper
great post
welcome.
bought some soy milk today and i kinda liked it.
diary is evil
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Captain...or Skully
climber
My ready room
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Apr 19, 2011 - 12:40am PT
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I've never kept one. Maybe that's why?
Sorry, I really couldn't help it.
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Les
Trad climber
Bahston
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Apr 19, 2011 - 10:33am PT
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Really interesting, thought provoking article on sugar:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=is%20sugar%20toxic&st=cse
Re: meat. Our ancestors, and hunter-gatherer societies, ate meat as a regular part of their diet, and the incidence of "diseases of western civilization" was far, far lower in their populations. Modern cattle raising focuses on fattening the beef up quicker for slaughter, and attaining that "marbled" (i.e., high fat) state we Americans find so tasty. Seek out free-range, 100% grass fed beef. There's a reason elk and buffalo are very low in fat and very high in protein -- they eat grass and move about freely.
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