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Mountain climber

there and back again

Apr 13, 2011 - 01:01pm PT

I like the rubberized membrane idea. Good luck with the projects.

Mtnmun

Trad climber

Top of the Mountain Mun

Apr 13, 2011 - 01:10pm PT

A couple of bids from local licensed roofing companies would be a good place to start. Desert roofs are a whole different animal.

zip

Trad climber

pacific beach, ca

Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2011 - 01:40pm PT

yep, having a couple of professionals look at it would probably be the best idea.

jstan

climber

Apr 13, 2011 - 02:06pm PT

There are a lot of good shingle roofs near Todd. Aerodynamically I don't see his site being unusual.
The helicopter house above the JBWD tank on Park Blvd needed a special roof, but that was unique.
I wonder if there was a problem with the installation.

Had not heard of Titanium UDL. Get a lot of bleeding out in JT and after 40 years the felt is like a
cracker. At $17/SQ($34/SQ installed) that stuff sounds almost too good to be true. Some kind of Tyvek?

Mountain climber

there and back again

Apr 13, 2011 - 03:19pm PT

Whats that Eric? Move to the Islands?

HandCrack

Trad climber

Joshua Tree, Cal.

Apr 15, 2011 - 12:53pm PT

The latest news -

It looks like we were somewhat over-optimistic in thinking we could find someone in the climbing community to step forward and head up the roofing work. I've spoken with Todd and we've come up with another plan of attack. We will get in touch with local roofing contractors and have them come inspect the site, discuss various options for re-roofing, and give an estimate for the job. Hopefully the one Todd chooses will agree to let him have the demo/prep work done beforehand by volunteers, which should help cut the cost somewhat.

Presumably the electric and plumbing work can go ahead as planned.

I will be posting info on how you all can help at a future date, once we have a clearer idea of the costs involved.

Stay tuned!

socalbolter

Sport climber

Silverado, CA

Apr 15, 2011 - 04:31pm PT

Brandt -

Make sure you (or Todd) request that the contractor gives you separate line item pricing for the tear-off (existing roof removal) and the new roof install. This way we'll have a value for both independently.

You can also ask them for expected allowances for roof structure or sheathing repairs. While these numbers can vary in their reliability, they will at least give us an expectation of what the contractor(s) anticipate having to deal with.

Someone mentioned upthread (Lynne?) having Home Depot submit a price. Definitely hit them up for a number, as their written scopes of work are usually pretty complete.

Louie

JLP

Social climber

The internet

Apr 15, 2011 - 05:18pm PT

I've found Home Depot to be super hit and miss. For high volume installs like carpet, their contractors have to be good just to handle the volume and potential complaints. For more custom stuff, like possibly a roof, the contractors are not necessarily going to be the best available in the area. A contractor makes less money working for HD as well, and the most desperate and incompetent might see HD as an easier doorway to customers. That said, it's just a bid. Ask for and check a couple references. Also, I wouldn't expect the tear-off to save a ton. That goes down very fast. You might get your savings and quality in dealing with the roof sheating yourself and doing it right. Roofers are not carpenters. Good luck,

Acer

Big Wall climber

Apr 17, 2011 - 01:42am PT

I hope this project gets done for Todd and Family. Todd and then the family have given the World Wide climbing community a lot with the Gordon Ranch.

I remember way back that the water heater got so much use that it died. Everyone pitched in and got a new one.

I am sure that Todd's place is showing its age and use from all of us.

How did Todd get all those guides. And the new ones are showing up all the time. sponsorship???

Lets

GIT-R-DONE

Acer

Big Wall climber

Apr 17, 2011 - 02:41am PT

This is how I would do it. DIY style.

Estimates

Todd's Roof = 2000 sqr feet or 1600 sqr feet

Price DIY = $5000 or $4000 ($2.5 foot)

Plan for the worst. Todd's roof will need some new OSB sheathing.

October

Assemble crew, materials, tools, drinks.

Residential Rooftop Safety Kit

Prep Work - Trap the old shingle landing spots

1) Tear off old roof (shingles, paper/felt, and some sheathing)

Tools = shingle scraper

2) Get that junk out of there to the dump.

3) Check the sheathing and rafters/roof framing. Repair as needed.

4) New sheathing/good sheathing in place.

5) Time to Felt or membrane. SHIELDGARD-MP or Bakor Low Slope or [torch-down] rolled membrane.

6) Time to shingle or metal roofing. Metal roof very inexpensive. Pick a color.

Corrugated roofing goes a long way.

7) Roof Ridge and Edges and other funky on That roof

8) Finish Flashing as needed. Maybe some gutter work too.

http://www.ehow.com/install-tin-roof/

OSB = $10ish each
Felt =$25 for 400 sqr feet
3-tab shingles = $23 each = 25 sqr feet
Nails = $50
Tools/shingle scraper = $35 ea

OSB = $10ish each
Membrane $1 sqr foot
Corrugated Roofing = $22 each 12'x26''
Screws = $50
Shovel = $35ea

How about a living roof??

Acer

Big Wall climber

Apr 17, 2011 - 05:08am PT

I most likely will not be part of the work party but when the time comes I will write a check to Todd for the project.

Thanks to all that get their hands dirty.

Tomcat

Trad climber

Chatham N.H.

Apr 17, 2011 - 09:00am PT

Back East here we do about 50% shingles and 50% steel roofing.The Cadillac of steel roofs is standing seam,and expensive.95% of our steel roofing here is what I call agricultural steel,as used for farm structures throughout the US.

Most steel roofing is functional without any special underlayments,like Ice and Water Shield ( aka Bithuthane ), down to 2/12 so probably fine under the circumstances.Just regular felt is fine beneath if the sheathing is relatively OK.Be aware if you do use bith,you'd want a more expensive version that we use here on south facing steel,as otherwise it can heat up and melt out.Grace triflex is more durable and comes on a 10 square roll.

Steel roofing is super easy to install,and has great wind resistance.In Todd and Andrea's climate you would definitely want a really light color,or galvanized,as the typical long term wear we see here is from expansion and contraction pushing the fasteners out.

Costs for the stuff I mention is about the same as three tab asphalt here.If it's going over solid sheathing.You can order it cut to length,and we just flush up the bottom ends and predrill all the sheets on the ground.The screws are self tapping but pre-drilling makes it so easy and the finished product comes out neater.

Guck

Trad climber

Santa Barbara, CA

Apr 23, 2011 - 10:28pm PT

I used titanium on my roof and the stuff is indeed incredible. It is very very tough. I had it on my house for months with nothing else, and we went through the rainy season with no problem. It needs to be nailed fairly tight with roofing nails with the plastic cup (rather than the square metal). It comes in a roll of at least 100 feet, which is great to run the entire length of the roof. I also put up a metal roof and the installation is very easy. The nice thing about the metal roof is that it does not leak or cave in, even if the sheathing is of poor quality. I would ask for a quote with these materials as it is best to do the job right rather than twice.
I can join the crew for a few days in the Fall, so count me in.

Phillip.

Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber

Will know soon

Apr 23, 2011 - 11:47pm PT

I'm still in to help. When the time comes I will help rally the troops and either help with the roof or cook up food and keep the drinks cold for a three day week-end of workers. Cheers, lynne

zip

Trad climber

pacific beach, ca

Topic Author's Reply - Apr 24, 2011 - 12:01am PT

Lynne,

Really?

Will you start returning e mails and phone calls at that time too?

John Moosie

climber

Beautiful California

Dec 15, 2011 - 12:33am PT

What happened? Did Todd get a new roof?

Todd Gordon

Trad climber

Joshua Tree, Cal

Dec 15, 2011 - 12:59am PT

No new roof yet;...still all sorts of problems when it rains.....pots and pans and containers everywhere in the kitchen and computor room on wet days....BUT......this Feb., Greg Epperson, Tucker Tech, and myself....and anyone else who wishes to help....will be putting on a new roof on the leaky part of the house......I will post up when we are about to CRUSH IT........it's gonna happen and it's gonna be very cool.....We have dealt with it this long;....a few more months and we will be mint......