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ahad aham
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Jan 28, 2011 - 08:24am PT
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hundreds of thousands now in streets. total internet shutdown now in egypt. also sms and cell blockage. jouralists have been targeted and assaulted by mubarak security thugs. opposition figure elbaradei reported detained and under arrest. many police clashes yet some police seem to be taking offuniforms and joining protest. this is the beginning of the end for mubarak, yet obama administration stands by their "man". hypocrits
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Tready
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Montana
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Jan 28, 2011 - 09:57am PT
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Heh. Yeah, looks like the sh#t has really hit the fan in Suez. Crazy.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Jan 28, 2011 - 10:18am PT
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OP "Things are cooking in north Africa and I know something is coming up but I wonder who is behind it."
 From what I hear it is the people who are behind it...
They want change, they are willing to do what it takes to change things in their lifetime... Now.... Rather than letting things be as they are.. they, the people, are taking their country.
When you consider the socio-economic spectrum of Egypt (rich/haves --> poor/have nots) and how many are just trying to stay alive with nothing.... (like America, 'cept dif'ernt) one might conclude that it had to happen....
My question is when will it happen here?
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/2011/01/2011128142022398574.html#
Watching the video, I notice that it's not a one group, its not just youth... I see women, I see old, I see young....
Everyone is upset... they want equality, they want freedom
I can't see anything wrong with that
And it's happening all over the country.. not just centered in Cairo
Want to know how it all started... Don't look to fatty to give any clues... find out for youself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47d6fyaOjRM
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Jan 28, 2011 - 10:39am PT
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"meltdown" --In the media.
Thousands of journalists, desperate for a story, will make a mountain out of a mole hill.
It's a stew pot the azzholes of the world like to stir.
FIGHT IT - Be nice to everyone today and forever.
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dirtbag
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Jan 28, 2011 - 11:25am PT
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Getting rid of Mubarek is long overdue.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 28, 2011 - 12:27pm PT
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Huge bonus - my 14 year old daughter watched it intently with me.
Had a similar experience a while back with one of my sons. He was probably 10 or 11 at the time, and sat down with my partner and I to watch a movie I hadn't seen for a long time. "Guns of Naverone". It's a WWII story, about the war as it was fought in the Eastern Mediterranean.
Twelve hundred British troops are trapped on an island off the coast of Turkey, and an even bigger German force is going to arrive in five days and wipe them out -- unless the Navy can get boats in to pick them up first. Problem is that the only approach to the Island is guarded by two giant guns mounted in a cave carved into a cliff high above the channel.
The only way to save the 1,200 is to somehow disable the guns, and after all other means fail, a small team of commandos is sent in to do the job.
Half-way through the film Ian (my son) said something like "I don't get it. Which ones are the good guys?"
To which we answered, almost in unison, "Ah, you finally get it."
Maybe Bluering would get something out of watching that film. If nothing else, it's a tremendous action film, with climbing even. Won Oscars back in 1961 or 1962. But it also is one of the finest war movies ever made, and leaves you asking questions that take you out of your comfort zone.
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dirtbag
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Jan 28, 2011 - 12:28pm PT
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So we should expect Egyptians to quietly put up with a few more decades of rampant poverty, corruption and poverty? That's not a recipe for sustainability.
And btw, Muslim Brotherhood is one of several groups involved in these protests.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 28, 2011 - 12:35pm PT
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When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jan 28, 2011 - 12:43pm PT
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Half-way through the film Ian (my son) said something like "I don't get it. Which ones are the good guys?"
Ghost, after visiting Dachau, i have no doubts as to who were the good guys in WWII.
not everything can be solved through diplomacy and peace.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jan 28, 2011 - 12:45pm PT
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fatty is either mentally ill or a fine troll....i think he is a fine troll.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 28, 2011 - 01:07pm PT
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not everything can be solved through diplomacy and peace.
Absolutely true. But not everything can be solved with bullets and bombs, either.
Ending the horror that Dachau represents was unquestionably the right thing to do. That's an easy question to answer. But "Was firebombing Dresden the best way to do it?" is not so easy.
And if it was right to oppose a regime that put 6 million jews to death, why is it right not to oppose similarly genocidal regimes elsewhere? Why are polish jews more worthy of saving than Bhuddist Cambodians? (If indeed they were Bhuddist)
I guess my point is that simple, sound-bite answers usually don't help. "We're the good guys and they're the bad guys, so just nuke a few of their cities and that'll teach the f*#kers to mess with us," isn't likely to solve problems.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Jan 28, 2011 - 01:15pm PT
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But "Was firebombing Dresden the best way to do it?" is not so easy.
good points ghost, i have wondered about that myself. on the other hand, without the killing of massive innocents we could end up like the current inneffectual war in Afghanistan. the sad thing is that it is always the innocents who suffer the most and not the leaders.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jan 28, 2011 - 01:33pm PT
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Fatty worships MOLOCH and is willing to sacrifice his children.
Send in the Marines.....
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 28, 2011 - 01:38pm PT
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Egypt is getting BBQed and Mubarak is in the underworld, cutting down SMS services, Cellphones, internet.......
Fatty
Are your boys behind it ?
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jan 28, 2011 - 02:17pm PT
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I really don't believe that any one else here will agree with my viewpoint on this topic, but here goes "nothing."
When we have a crisis within our own borders, our "media masters" at the behest of "their masters in D.C." emphasize anythingthat will divert attention from what they are doing.
What is the crisis? Impending National Bankruptcy. We saw our exalted leadership in Washington scurry to kiss the backsides of the visiting Chinese to keep the money flowing so we can further postpone the day or reckonning for another short while.
It's the old "watch my hand waving," and slap, we get it in the chops. It's all "smoke and mirrors" from the magicians in gubermint.
Bushclintionbushobamacheneygorepelosireiddole. They are the problem. We need to do some pulling back from all these horrendous foreign warsa nd manipulations. Fukk all of them. We need to get our own house in order and quit being "Big Brother" to the rest of the world.
Remember when Clinton had been impeached? What was the media doing then? Looking for Lorena Bobbitt's husband's dick. Wow! Not much of a loss, unless it's your dick. Figure skaters getting deliberately injured by competitors. Wow! Really important stuff. Smoke and mirrors.
Fukk Mubarek. Fukk Egypt, except for the poor bastards rioting in the strreets. Fukk Israel, let them handle their OWN crises, and quit expecting us to bail them out with more weapons of war and billions from our (now empty) treasury.
Here endeth my diatribe for the day.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jan 28, 2011 - 02:18pm PT
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There ya go! At gunpoint! With a shotgun aimed at their faces!
You do not understand Fatrad's satire. How do you think Egypt was converted to Islam? Only they didn't have shotguns back then. They had swords.
"Convert or die."
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 28, 2011 - 02:18pm PT
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Fatty
Democratic gov in Egypt will open the door to Gaza. You sure Israel wants that?
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jan 28, 2011 - 02:27pm PT
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Fatty-
They never have admitted to having them! I still say "hands off" off this one! It's too hot to handle. We've got big problems here at home.
Now there is Internet sizzle over the admission by the State of Hawaii that there never has been a Barack Obama birth certificate. People have sent me stuff about a Kenyan birth certificate that's just surfaced. Yup. We got trouble right here in River City, to quote Robert Preston in "The Music man."
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jan 28, 2011 - 02:32pm PT
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Ron-
Ally? What the f%&k have they ever done for us other than raid the Treasury? Look at the Jonathan Pollard scandal, spying on their "ally."
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