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Rags
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Sierra foothills, CA
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Mar 23, 2006 - 03:48am PT
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There are many reasons why the inconsistencies have gone unresolved. I think Hitler had the answer.
Hitler writes in ''Mein Kampf'' (James Murphy translation, page 134):
"All this was inspired by the principle - which is quite true in itself - that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation."
That and everything is a matter of Nat'l security.
Ya, sure..........................
And I suppose that these links may be similiar to others previously posted, so apologies. Want to make sure they get seen. However, any inspection of these links and associated material should leave any sane and reasonable American saying, "what the f*#k is really going on here?" If not, they are brain dead.
http://wtc7.net/index.html
http://www.st911.org/
http://www.911truestory.com/
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 23, 2006 - 03:53am PT
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No Karl, the burden is on you guys to post something specific, something that affirmatively shows the government was behind it. You guys are the ones making the unconventional and frankly, prettty far-fetched claims, not me. Tell me how it happened: be specific. How did they do it? Use facts, not "Bush had ties to OBL's great uncle 5 times removed, blah, blah, blah," or the "Soviets covered up bad things too, and we're like them because of the Patriot Act," (to which I say, as much as I dislike the Patriot Act, bullshit!). No. Give me facts, documentation, eyewitness accounts, etc. leading from point A to point C, showing me exactly what the perpetrators did, who was involved, what specific devices they used, etc. Don't give me speculation.
It's easy to dislike the Bush administration--I do. But it is also a big mistake to assume they are the bogeymen behind everything that has gone wrong the past five years. And again, it's telling that no mainstream media outlet has latched on to this story, which would be the story of the century. It's also telling that mainstream scientific engineering journals and organizations haven't discussed the supposedly questionable evidence for WTC collisions, either. They have had five years to do this. You'd think SOMEONE besides that BYU prof and a couple of others would look into this. But nope.
You guys give the Bush Administration waaaaaay to much credit for being competent enough to actually do this.
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Medric Magann
Ice climber
Billings, Montana
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Mar 23, 2006 - 04:49am PT
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That is the primary deception, that higher ups in the US government pulled this. Nope. Way bigger than that. I don't know who, but some people claim to. The organization or individuals that did it are operatives of the 10 wealthiest families in the world who have carved up the world into ten trade zones. There is no national sovereignty for any nation. There are no national borders. There is ten companies running it all. The catholics are one. The Edomites mostly run it I suspect.
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Medric Magann
Ice climber
Billings, Montana
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Mar 23, 2006 - 04:49am PT
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That is the primary deception, that higher ups in the US government pulled this. Nope. Way bigger than that. I don't know who, but some people claim to. The organization or individuals that did it are operatives of the 10 wealthiest families in the world who have carved up the world into ten trade zones. There is no national sovereignty for any nation. There are no national borders. There is ten companies running it all. The catholics are one. The Edomites mostly run it I suspect.
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 23, 2006 - 10:37am PT
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I think I watched that "X-Files" episode too.
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 23, 2006 - 03:35pm PT
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Great psychoanalysis of me, considering I never met you. If you think a CNN blurb by Charlie Sheen (Charlie Frickin' Sheen of all people) = MSM acceptance, then you have about as much critical thinking skill as a bag of moss. All I asked was to show me some credible evidence that the government bogeymen were responsible for killing those people. All I got was a snippy response.
Which means...you have nothing, and know nothing too. What a surprise.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2006 - 09:42pm PT
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The mainstream media are bought and paid for wimps. Did you hear about the leaked Blair/Bush memo in England that the English government is suppressing using the "Official secrets Act?" In it Bush proposes to Blair that they take a US spy plane, paint it in UN Colors and fly it over Iraq hoping the Iraqis will shoot it down so they'll have an excuse for war.
The MSM barely touched it. Seems like a big deal to me. This is pretty big news in England and the government has not disclaimed nor denied the memo.
I don't know what role the government had in 9-11. Perhaps they were complicit, perhaps they found about about it and let it happen, or perhaps they are just covering up their failures. I think we should find out instead of accepting whitewash
Peace
Karl
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dirtbag
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Mar 23, 2006 - 10:16pm PT
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But the memo came to light, didn't it? And that idea was a thousand times simpler than the govt. pulling an elaborate WTC hoax.
I agree: I slso think there is a lot accountability problems and CYA issues with preventing the 9/11 attacks. Blame it on Bush, Clinton, and the bureaucratic machine that often fails us. Blame it on human nature, to some degree. Most people wouldn't want to admit publicly or privately they F'ed this up.
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mike hartley
climber
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Mar 24, 2006 - 01:01am PT
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I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories because they usually entail a lot of people keeping very quiet - and humans are really bad at keeping their mouths shut. But I haven't heard anyone give a reasonable, non-demolition, explaination for why Tower 7 came down. You can argue about the Twins and the Pentagon but there was real trauma there. Not so with #7. Any investigation that doesn't address that issue is suspect/negligent in my view.
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Robb
Social climber
Flathead Valley, Montana
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Mar 24, 2006 - 02:08am PT
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I didn't want to come forward....all these year I'd hoped it would go away...it was the MARMOTS!
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mike hartley
climber
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Mar 24, 2006 - 11:48am PT
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OK, after spending precious hours reading more, including some of the links from healyje, I guess there is a probable explaination for #7 going down besides a demo.
What an unlikely blend of simultaneous improbabilities though? Something of an engineering perfect storm such as Henry Petroski (author of To Engineer Is Human: The Role of Failure in Successful Design) could scarcely imagine.
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Hootervillian
climber
the Hooterville World-Guardian
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Mar 24, 2006 - 11:52am PT
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things that make my ass itch.
three large and relatively modern buildings, in a pile, in their footprints, in a few hours. rather interesting interpretation of images depicting pentagon damage, also.
'investigation' that saw no need to take advantage of a lengthy, and very public, multi-national exposure. the 'golden parachute' of political capital passed-by?
an overview of how a modern 'departmentalized' corporation works, and how little most need to know.
an agenda seemingly already in place that curiously enough has not really focused on many actual perpetrators.
a complete fabrication? naw. but it reeks of co-mingled interests and contrivance out the back end.
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