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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 29, 2010 - 12:15pm PT
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Amazing that this is even a topic. And people have said the taco is such a "left of Center" forum, har!
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lucaskrajnik
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:40pm PT
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f gays!
*that sounds bad
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 29, 2010 - 03:33pm PT
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Don't forget Colorado, wolfie!
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 29, 2010 - 03:52pm PT
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I like your observation about nannies likely doing most of the heavy lifting.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2010 - 03:57pm PT
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Agree. You make several good points, Cragg.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 29, 2010 - 04:03pm PT
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Their desire to have a baby, plus being older, and rich, will all but ensure a better childhood than 95% of the kids in the world will ever experience. This lil pup hit the kid lottery! Like Peter says, being gay isn't the issue and it's not a hindrance to being a good or great parent. There's plenty of as#@&%e parents, I've only seen hetros in full on as#@&%e parent mode where you want to take the kids away and it seems fairly common.
I'm just surprised that no one has noted that with all the unwanted kids in 3rd world countries, they didn't adopt (it says that Sir Elton tried), but chose to start with a new (surrogate) baby.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2010 - 04:11pm PT
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Cragman, now you blew it. It's not right to make such a definitive statement. Truth is, we just don't know on this one. Yet.
There are different styles in raising kids. There are different styles in taking on Third Pillar as a function of weather.
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BTW, my OP referenced how ABC News expressed the relationship in terms of "his husband." that's what caught my attention, that's all.
Bluey then took it from there.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 29, 2010 - 04:31pm PT
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Thanks Cragman. Too many Americans think that sending money to Third World nations will solve their problems. That is complete SHEEPDIP! Sending money CAUSES more problems; it creates a nanny state. Look at Haiti!
Yeah, I know that, but I've been busy and so I just sent money. As far as the adoption thing goes, I didn't know that they were unable to adopt. My wife and thought that we should take on a couple of kids in need of a home as a way of giving back if even just a little to the world, and were surprised when looking into it how complex, lengthy, and expensive it is. So we sent money:-).
I know you do this, and I celebrate you for it. You're a good man.
Take care:
Bill
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 29, 2010 - 04:38pm PT
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Yeah, my brother and his wife did the peace corp thing. They did a huge reforestation project to try and forestall the expansion of the Kalihari desert. Locals saw the trees down for fuel and then the desert creeps in and expands. They both pretty much felt that with out westerners looking in daily, (ie as soon as they left) the new trees would sadly last but moments.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 29, 2010 - 04:46pm PT
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We did have to jump through a lot of hoops for the adoption.
See Jeff: you're not evil at all, I'll bet you're a great parent.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2010 - 04:55pm PT
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"which one would that be fruc?"
-Because things regarding this subject just aren't so black n white.
By analogy: Just as there is enough room for different styles in climbing (e.g., Third Pillar as a function of weather) that could, should, be respected, so too, some perceive that there's enough room in family affairs for different styles of parenting (as a function of sexual orientation) esp with so much social change underway, openmindedness in young people nowadays, and esp with so much unknown regarding circumstances, etc.
We're talking about (gray) areas with lots of unknowns. Where things aren't so definitive.
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Anyways, it's a tough subject.
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Eubanks,D
Big Wall climber
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Dec 29, 2010 - 05:40pm PT
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I can't believe this is one of the "HOT TOPICS" on supertopo.
Who really cares?
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Dec 29, 2010 - 05:41pm PT
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go to bed rox
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Homer
Mountain climber
742 Evergreen Terrace
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Dec 29, 2010 - 05:53pm PT
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A lot of people think that what's best for the child is to have their biological parents be able to keep them. But some of the biological parents are unable to keep their children because they don't have the resources to do so. They live in poverty, or maybe they can't pay for medical bills. Sometimes money does matter to those kids, and to those of us who are blessed by parenting them.
Next best maybe would be a stable loving pair of parents to take care of them (or maybe that's first best?). Some that weren't apt to get divorced. Maybe parents who were racially similar and could relate to how they're perceived in our society.
But we don't always get the best for them. Sometimes we get second best. Or third or fourth. We get the best we can do, all together.
It's a lot easier for a heterosexual couple to have children without considering the consequences than it is for a gay couple to adopt a child. But outside of China, we're not restricting that.
My daughters have some great friends who have awesome gay parents. Parents who stay together and are totally devoted to their kids. I'm really grateful for that - we're all better off for that.
Like those gay parents, I try to be a good parent for my kids, despite my limitations.
What do the children of gay parents say about gay adoption? As Cragman says, they're the ones we should be concerned about and listen to. But we're mostly all wrapped up in what we think about it, not in what's best for them.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Dec 29, 2010 - 05:58pm PT
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just stop now you f*#king kook.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 29, 2010 - 06:00pm PT
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Next best maybe would be a stable loving pair of parents to take care of them (or maybe that's first best?). Some that weren't apt to get divorced. Maybe parents who were racially similar and could relate to how they're perceived in our society.
Would you like to expand on the "parents who were racially similar" part of what you said? It sounds like you're implying that mixed-race couples are likely to be bad parents.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 29, 2010 - 06:12pm PT
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Ghost, it has long been a adoption premise that racially similar (to the child) couples are preferred when they are available.
Ah. I get it. I assumed the poster meant racially similar to each other.
I wonder what Cragman thinks of that. Dean? Comments?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 29, 2010 - 06:34pm PT
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Sexual relationships between members of the same sex expose gays, lesbians and bisexuals to extreme risks of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs), physical injuries, mental disorders and even a shortened life span. There are five major distinctions between gay and heterosexual relationships, with specific medical consequences.
Complete and utter homophobic claptrap - not a word in it doesn't apply just as well to heterosexuals.
Nothing like a thread on c#cksucking to flush out the bigots and c#cksuckers.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 29, 2010 - 06:50pm PT
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I will comment on that Ghost, though I have to say, the way things are going here, I'm ready to delete my posts and stay away.
I hope you don't delete, as your posts, along with Maysho's, are among the most valuable on the subject.
As to race, my feelings are the same as they are about sexual preference: Good people will likely be good parents. And if there are some bumps along the road to adulthood (trying to explain about "my two dads" or "my white parents") well, so what?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 29, 2010 - 06:54pm PT
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Well, I very much doubt that the stereotypical openly flaming homosexuals
are the ones who would be applying for adoption.
Rather, it is the stable, multi year together same sex couple, male or female.
So there is no point to continually assume the former is looking to adopt.
Additionally, adoption has to be approved and meet a tough set of home visits
and standards
Meanwhile, opposite sex couple can get coked up and fuk and produce a
child without any planning, often resulting in only the woman raising the child.
Why is this not as equally challenged?
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