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WBraun
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Dec 30, 2005 - 09:53pm PT
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Naw, they installed a global hawk system in that plane and remote it from a secure place. They over rode the autopilot. Jumping jacks was all there was left to do after that.
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Ouch!
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Dec 30, 2005 - 09:57pm PT
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Ramjet, you have made yourself irrelevant. Nothing you say from here on will have the profundity of a chigger fart. To compare a simple BJ to the stupendous damage Bush has brought on the world is proof you are truly a lightweight in the class of Jody and fattrad and Shack. Neocon Chickenhawk wannabee!
If they put your brain in a gnat's ass, it would rattle like a coconut in a boxcar.
Hmmmpf!
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WBraun
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Dec 30, 2005 - 10:01pm PT
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LOL ...........
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Dec 30, 2005 - 10:06pm PT
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Who let Raj into a flight school? Is there a record of it?
I know it seems like it would be pretty complicated to handle an autopilot. After all, if it was that simple, how come JFK, Jr, could not do it? Oops, sorry, that should be a new thread, right?
Well actually, autopilots are freakin' easy. Way easier than flying by instruments. And making an AP menu for novice would be pretty simple. Cookbook instructions that you could do with only a picture of the autopilot, if you had to. Not that they probably couldn't learn it in MS Flight Simulator.
BTW. Is this the same Rajmit?
Scary stuff relating to 9/11:
New York City has 11 letters
Afghanistan has 11 letters.
Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin
Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.
George W Bush has 11 letters.
New York is the 11th state.
The 11 in 9/11 is comprised of two vertical bars; the Twin Towers were two vertical "bar-like" buildings.
The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11.
Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11
Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers.
6 + 5 = 11
The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1 + 1 = 11
The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number
911. 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.
The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was
254. 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year. Again 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11.
The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers
incident.
The most recognised symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic holy book:
For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle.
The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo,
while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for
the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was
peace.
That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran.
Open Microsoft Word and do the following:
1. Type in capitals "Q33 NY". This is the flight number of the first
plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.
2. Highlight the Q33 NY.
3. Change the font size to 48.
4. Change the actual font to the Wingdings.
US Currency Images relating to 9/11
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This is really coincidental.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Dec 30, 2005 - 10:09pm PT
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If all the chiggers in the world farted simultaneously, could it fill a party balloon? Would the balloon contain methane or some other combustible gas?
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WBraun
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Dec 30, 2005 - 10:27pm PT
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Ok, so much for this farting buisness, back to the task. Now, something was controlling this plane and autopilot cannot make radical menuvers that were witnessed. Thus comes global hawk with it's nice remote control features.
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426
Sport climber
That one arete, HP40, AL
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Dec 30, 2005 - 10:30pm PT
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Ramjit-You fall easily for that "binary" chit. See, that's what FOXMSNBCNN banks on, that the world is divided into two camps (for you).
Me, a non-partisan, looks at that and sez, sure, that's messed up, but let's turn the eye on some of the 'moralists'
Like Newty...
In 1980, Gingrich asked his first wife for a divorce. In an often-reported story, Gingrich tried to discuss the terms of his divorce with his wife while she was in a hospital bed recovering from surgery for uterine cancer. In February 1981, the divorce was finalized, and in August 1981, he married his second wife, Marianne Ginther.
In August 1999, Gingrich revealed that he had been carrying on an extramarital affair for the past six years with a House clerk twenty-three years his junior, Callista Bisek. Critics noted that Gingrich's adultery had taken place while he was leading moral attacks against Bill Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal. These critics claimed that the situations were similar and so Gingrich's attacks had been grossly hypocritical. In December 1999, Gingrich divorced his second wife, Marianne. On August 19, 2000, Gingrich married Callista Bisek as his third wife.
Or how about Dr. David Hager, who was anally raping his wife (against her consent, mind you) while on the Prez' Advisory Committee for Reproductive Health Drugs in the Food and Drug Administration.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dr.+david+hager%2Banal+rape
And yet, you turn the blind eye. You sound a lot like the old men around here who say 'dignity and honor restored to the White House' but blithely ignore a gay whore running around without signing in or out with the Secret Service (check the logs, they are upthread).
You're oddly silent on Guckert/Gannon. What if just a straight prostitute had been wandering the WH in the CLinton years? I've never heard Limbaugh or any other talking head mention a peep about Gannon or Guckert. Or whatever alias he was using...
Head, meet sand...
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 30, 2005 - 10:36pm PT
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426
Hear hear, just see ........
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426
Sport climber
That one arete, HP40, AL
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Dec 30, 2005 - 10:37pm PT
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Remember the 5 d's...dodge, dip, dive, duck....and dodge!
Ed. Mr. Braun, clever double entendre. Took me a minute.
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426
Sport climber
That one arete, HP40, AL
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Dec 30, 2005 - 10:40pm PT
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Oh gosh, now I have to clue you in on pop culture as well?
http://dodgeballmovie.com/
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Ouch!
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Dec 30, 2005 - 10:46pm PT
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 31, 2005 - 12:58am PT
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Admiral Kimmel's and General Short's families are still to this day trying to clear their names contending they were scapegoated:
http://pearlharbor911attacks.com/
Good review of Pearl Harbor revisionism including reference to Congress' "Minority Report" and "Additional Notes" from the official investigation:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p431_Lutton.html
Both my brothers are both FedEx pilots, I'll have to ask them about the Pentagon plane flying skills question...
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Dec 31, 2005 - 01:21am PT
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Healyje,
I know for certain that an airplane hit the Pentagon on the morning of Sept. 11th, 2001. I ate Thanksgiving Dinner with a man who saw the plane fly right over his head, and then heard the explosion. That man is my uncle. He works in D.C. and was out in the parking lot smoking a cigarette when this happened.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 31, 2005 - 01:59am PT
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Dirtbag wrote
"Karl, one of the main lessons from the Northwood document "incident" is that sh#t didn't happen. Nothing ever came of it. Kinda supports my points above."
Actually Trad, the Bay of Pigs actually did happen which was a CIA gig made up to look like home grown rebel invasion. Problem is Kennedy stabbed them in the back by not going in like he said he would. Really, is that a conspiracy or what? The fact that we now know and kinda gloss over it in our heads just shows what sheep we are.
Peace
karl
Edit: I had originally misattributed the quote to TradisGood
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WBraun
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Dec 31, 2005 - 02:26am PT
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Now nobody wants to believe me about that globalhawk going into the pentagon. Everybodys going along with the "official version" just like they believe they went to the moon.
Moon, 93 million miles past the sun, they never went!
Even Karl probably won't buy that one.
:-)
But the good thing about guys like Karl is he actually truely gives a sh_it where as a lot of folks just seem to talk a stack of sh_it and don't give a sh_it all.
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Wonder
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WA
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Dec 31, 2005 - 03:16am PT
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everyone here is missing the true point, the aliens have taken over our government. they are f#$*ing with us. no stopping them. check out mrs bush, ALIEN.
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cgw
Trad climber
Santa Barbara
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Dec 31, 2005 - 03:26am PT
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I have to say that initially I too grew frustrated not finding my neatly packaged, colorful, fully convincing explanation within the timeframe of my trademark US citizen attention span.
Karl, Werner and others, I commend and admire you for indulging recalcitrant minds...
It would seem that an alternative explanation for the events of 9/11, and certainly one which makes more sense and holds water at the very least, is no longer such a fringe concept...
One of my questions has been, "Why?"
For what it's worth, some of us have found the following "critically" acclaimed "documentary" interesting (I use quotation marks because the word itself has become nearly as controversial as 'onsight' and 'critically' means that it has started discussions in wide circles-typically a good sign).
http://www.endofsuburbia.com/
Unfortunately, I don't think you can watch this video online- I myself had to get out of my mountaineer armchair to watch it.
Nevertheless, consider: At the Earth Summit in 1992, George H.W. Bush forcefully declared, "The American way of life is not negotiable."
An understatement...?
p.s. Karl, thanks for the ride back to the lake after our Conness North Ridge jaunt in August. What a great summer it was...
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Dec 31, 2005 - 03:50am PT
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Conspiracy is a rather low legal hurdle. Almost all crime is a conspiracy. Two or more people acting in concert to violate a law is a conspiracy. Two stoners passing a joint back and forth is a conspiracy. 19 hijackers acting to achieve the same goal is a conspiracy. Dozens of Government Opperatives, working for the Republican Party to knock down a couple of sky-scrapers and keep it covered-up is a conspiracy.
As far as Official Complicity in the Sept. 11th attacks is concerned, that is only a fantasy, wishful thinking by the Opposition Party (Democrats) to cover over the fact they have no consistent and coherent plan for running the country. I have asked several times on this forum what is the Democrat Plan (no fair saying "Democrats aren't Republicans" and passing that off as a plan) and have recieved no response. Even if there are NO Democrats on this forum, many STer's are much better informed than I am as far as politics are concerned. Surely, if the Democrats know of a workable "Better Way" I would have heard of it by now. My vote is up for grabs in the mid-term elections coming up in less than a year so now is the perfect time to try to win me over. Constant negativity does nothing to convince me that the Opposition Party has any answers. I am on the fence, I can be pulled over, or pushed away.
To suggest that the U.S. Government has any complicity in the attacks of Sept 11th. is just totaly asinine. The slobbering retards that work for the Federal Government can't even figure out how to deliver the mail (as I documented earlier), Hell, they can't even put a damn trash can in El Cap Meadow. Anyone that thinks they can pull off the Crime of the Century, and keep it covered up, has been duped.
Don't be a Dupe!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 31, 2005 - 04:02am PT
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Chaz,
With regard to making the country safer I had posted some suggestions here a while back:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=127223#msg127470
If you agree with the general tone of those suggestions you'd be way better off without the Republicans in office even at the expense of the Democrats being in office...
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Dec 31, 2005 - 04:49am PT
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Healyje,
Thanks for digging that up. I remember that one.
I'm all for going "Big". Especially "Re-bid re-construction projects". That's one of our biggest weapons; Cash. Our Cash and Democracy are what scares the world's tyrants more than all our guns and bombs. Why did the Soviet Union disolve? Like P.J. O'Rourke said "Communism failed because there's no money in it". We need to better manage our Cash to further our goals, opening Iraqi re-construction to new players would go a long way toward doing that.
It's too bad that neither one of the two major parties can embrace "Going Big". Instead of keeping their eye on the ball, the Republicans have their eye on the exit. Top-Dog of the Democrats Howard Dean is running around saying we can't win this war, when most people I talk to say that this is a war we can't afford to lose.
If a candidate ran a campaign based on what you put foreward in that post, I would vote for him. I don't agree with all those pionts, but I have never seen a candidate with whom I agreed with 100%.
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