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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 20, 2010 - 02:06pm PT
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I wrote a tongue in cheek article in Mountain mag about using chuckawallas, which are in the habit of crawling into cracks and inflating themselves so that predators can't get them, as a whole new form of natural protection.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Dec 20, 2010 - 02:08pm PT
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Ron,
Is there a link to the article?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 20, 2010 - 02:09pm PT
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I think it was #95.
Maybe Steve can post it.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 20, 2010 - 02:12pm PT
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So are herpetologists like ornithologists, aka birders? Do you guys have "Life Lists" also?
C'mon be honest.
(I know the answer already. I worked in biological consulting for 5 years. Good people. Going out on survey was a constant classroom like environment.)
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 21, 2010 - 02:45am PT
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how about this tiny guy, only appeared ona 113º day a couple years back. Haven't seen him since. That's the handle of a sliding screen door he's checking out.
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slidingmike
climber
CA
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Dec 21, 2010 - 04:56pm PT
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A gorgeous little denizen of Goat Rock at Castle Rock State Park:
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scuffy b
climber
Three feet higher
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Dec 21, 2010 - 04:59pm PT
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Wow, that guy is gorgeous, Jaybro.
I wonder if it's the same kind as Reilly's.
(I mean his orange one, not the blue one)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 22, 2010 - 02:14am PT
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BES1,
I'm shocked that your friend was bitten by a Mojave in Temecula. That seems
an awfully long ways from what I consider their normal range:
"a snake of high desert or lower mountain slopes, they are often found near scrub brush such as mesquite and creosote, but may also reside in lowland areas of sparse vegetation, among cacti, Joshua tree forests, or grassy plains"
I would hate to think someone transported it there but stranger things have happened.
I hate to be morbid but what kind of clinical morbidity did your friend suffer?
There are now two subspecies of the Mojave: the nominate Crotalus scutulatus scutulatus
and the Huamantlan of northern and central Mexico - C. c. salvini.
As to the venom geographic variability I don't believe it is well understood
or even necessarily defined by subspecies. But as I said the standard CroFab
antivenin works for both variations of the Mojave and all other N American rattlers.
As to the Asians there are a good number of snakes you don't wanna get bitten
by as there is no antivenin produced. And, yes, there are quite a few that
require a specific antivenin although there are more and more polyvalent (cross-specific)
antivenins being produced. I wouldn't want to get bitten anywhere
in Asia except for Australia, if I had to choose a time and place that is.
If I did a Krait would be far down on my list - down there with the Inland Taipan and the Tiger.
I think I would prefer a Cobra to any of the former
especially as there is better antivenin available for the latter, I believe.
About 7 years ago one of the world's pre-eminent herpetologists got bitten
by a Russell's in Burma and despite getting antivenin within a couple of hours didn't make it.
As you probably know sometimes the antivenin itself is a mortal danger to some people although
in a good hospital the allergic reaction can be treated effectively enough
to allow the antivenin to work. That's why its initial administration is
always closely observed for untoward reactions.
Frankly, I've never heard of anyone milking a snake in conjunction with medical
treatment. To my knowledge, as I said, ER's only want the snake for ID
purposes. It takes days or weeks in a lab to produce antivenin.
I suppose this is slightly in poor taste but did you ever see this
Steve Irwin segment where he courts the Inland Taipan? What a crazy dood...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXh0rLQPK5g
"I'm in love with her now..."
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 22, 2010 - 12:48pm PT
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Sounds more like anaphylaxis.
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Prezwoodz
climber
Anchorage
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 22, 2010 - 01:41pm PT
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Rather then post another thread for this question Ifigured I would ask here.
What type of Spider is this?
We found it in the Red River Gorge, Kentucky along a riverbank.
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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Dec 22, 2010 - 10:49pm PT
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BES1'st, "a Mojave in Temecula."
That is outside their range fo sure. Possiblity it was a Southwestern Speckled, or a Ruber? I can't find mention of the Mojave that far south in the literature. But as Reilly says, " Stranger things have happened".
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 22, 2010 - 10:52pm PT
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I was referring more to the tissue damage/Gang Green etc. as life
support for breathing could be in place.
I thought "Gang Green" was an ecoterrorist group on the Homeland Security watchlist.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 22, 2010 - 11:01pm PT
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Is it true that the Stern Gang couldn't take a joke?
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cliffhanger
Trad climber
California
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Dec 23, 2010 - 12:37am PT
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Habituated Rattlesnake
When hiking up the Vernal Falls trail a few months ago there was a small rattlesnake (~ 3') stretched out on top of the outside wall, relaxing. All the tourists were pressing close for a good look, poking cameras to within 2'. The snake remained totally stretched out and relaxed, no sign of alarm or concern at all. A snake totally habituated to people.
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Dec 23, 2010 - 03:22am PT
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 25, 2010 - 09:51pm PT
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LOL
But what about the Stern Gang BES1'st?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 26, 2011 - 11:28pm PT
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Argentine Black and White Tegu/Tupinambis merianae at Iguazu Falls
A good 28", at least.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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May 27, 2011 - 12:39am PT
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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May 27, 2011 - 01:25am PT
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Howard,
Think it is a red. Ran across it at JT.
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