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Klimmer
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San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 9, 2010 - 09:07pm PT
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Port,
Please focus just a little.
GC,
Are you sure you don't work for the NSA, CIA, or other? You sure got the memo down on brain-less ridicule. That is the number one line of defense (which is no defense), obfuscate and ridicule with endless ad hominem attacks. But you absolutely do not have one shred of substance beyond that.
You sure seem to have absolute trust in Uncle Sam. So you are fine with the following known US Government atrocities? Yes, these are documented conspiracies and crimes against humanity and our own citizens, accomplished by our government. Where to begin since there are so many? (this is not a complete list by-the-way): I'll even come back and add links . . .
The atrocities we did to the Chinese immigrants on Angel Island
http://www.poeticwaves.net/non-flash-site/
http://www.sandiegochinese.net/htmls/angel.htm
The Prison Camp atrocities against Japanese Americans during WW2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
http://www.nps.gov/manz/
The atrocities we did to our own Armed Service Vets with the testing of Nuclear Bombs on Nellis AF Base Nevada and other experiments to US soldiers
http://www.naav.com/
Under The Cloud: The Decades of Nuclear Testing [Paperback]
http://www.amazon.com/Under-Cloud-Decades-Nuclear-Testing/dp/1881043053/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266666050&sr=8-2
The atrocities of testing diseases on African American Soldiers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment
The atrocities we did to Pacific Islanders for US Nuclear Testing
Day of Two Suns: U.S. Nuclear Testing and the Pacific Islanders [Paperback]
http://www.amazon.com/Day-Two-Suns-Nuclear-Islanders/dp/0941533832/ref=pd_sim_b_4
The massive atrocity of the The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the killing of 100s of thousands of innocent Japanese citizens who had nothing to do with the War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
The Last Train from Hiroshima: The Survivors Look Back (John MacRae Books) [Hardcover]
http://www.amazon.com/Last-Train-Hiroshima-Survivors-MacRae/dp/0805087966/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266667483&sr=8-3
False Flag Plan: Operation Northwoods, the plan to kill our own troops and blame it Cuba so we could attack Cuba
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/
Accomplished False Flag: The Gulf of Tonkin, got US into the Vietnam War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident
Accomplished False Flag: the attack on the USS Liberty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
The CIA project MK-Ultra for mind-control and the development of Manchurian Candidate Assassins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA
The assassination of JFK (lots of overwhelming evidence that rogue elements within our government pulled it off)
The assassination of MLK Jr. (Direct evidence our US government was involved)
An Act of State: The Execution of Martin Luther King [Hardcover]
http://www.amazon.com/Act-State-Execution-Martin-Luther/dp/1859846955/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262053145&sr=1-1
The 13th Juror: The Official Transcript of the Martin Luther King Assassination Conspiracy Trial [Paperback]
http://www.amazon.com/13th-Juror-Transcript-Assassination-Conspiracy/dp/1442112158/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262052503&sr=8-2#noop
What we have done to our Gulf 1, Gulf 2, and Gulf 3 Veterans
9-11-01: plenty of evidence that at the least our government let it happen (LIHOP). Many War Games on 9-11 with that very scenario, Military Stand Down, the evidence can go on and on. But the evidence also shows direct involvement (MIHOP).
2 Illegal Preemptive Wars against countries that had nothing to do with 9-11-01 (Iraq and Afghanistan). The supposed hi-jackers with box-cutter knives were from Saudi Arabia.
What we have done to our Veterans and the people of Iraq and Afghanistan
Beyond Treason:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2205254052040284660#docid=1765761405440797619
The use of Depleted Uranium in weapon systems continues and makes those battle-zone regions of Earth where we leave the DU waste radioactive for the next 4.5 Billion years
http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/mettoc.htm
http://www.cadu.org.uk/intro.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5146778547681767408#
http://www.amvets-ca.org/pdfs/RECA/INTERVIEW%20WITH%20MAJOR%20DOUG%20ROKKE.pdf
Torture by the USA at Abu Ghraib
Torture at the USA Prison, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and the murder of Prisoners at Camp “NO”
The Guantánamo “Suicides”: A Camp Delta sergeant blows the whistle
By Scott Horton
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/01/hbc-90006368
Flights of Rendition of Prisoners to countries where torture is allowed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition_by_the_United_States
The recent revelation that our government was involved with medical experiments in which we purposefully gave diseases to Guatemalans.
US Apologizes for Giving Guatemalans Syphilis in 1940s Experiment
Friday, October 01, 2010
By Lauran Neergaard, Associated Press
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/76098
This list could go on and on and on . . .
Nope there is no way our government could possibly be involved with spraying Aluminum and Barium Oxides to try to dim the sunlight hitting the Earth's surface in attempt to act against Global Warming. Nope there is no way this could happen. They would never pollute the environment like that and carry out a massive illegal experiment that could have possible devastating effects to the environment and to our health. Nope they could never do that. They could not possibly be that evil. Sarcasm.
Read your history and read the evidence I have already posted. Don't make me have to hold your hand through it all. Do a little homework.
I have this program. Me thinks the government professes too much. I think that is exactly what they are trying to do, dimm the Sun purposefully.
NOVA: Dimming the Sun
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/contrail.html
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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LOL. I don't deny that the U.S. dropped atomic bombs, falsely imprisoned Japanese Americans, mistook the wake of its own ships in the Gulf of Tonkin for Communist torpedoes, etc. etc. Those are all documented facts.
But that's not what you are arguing in this thread and your massive ark on the moon thread! LOL.
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nature
climber
Whereverland....
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well... I tried.... but Klimmer is worse than Pass the Penis Pete when it comes to paying attention.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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If it were up to me I would remove you from ST. Too bad Chris Mac doesn't.
Whoever disagrees should be removed? But wait. If it's okay for you to remove someone because they disagree with you, then shouldn't it be okay for them to remove you for disagreeing with them? Or for me to remove both of you for disagreeing with me?
To equate the way GC disagrees with you (by posting silly pictures) with the kind of horribly nasty things that Medusa and Crowley 1.0 said, is seriously uncool. To follow that path is to end up with 7 billion websites, each with a population of 1.
If you don't want people to disagree with you, don't post. Or post trip reports or photos of the outdoors. To post about religion, politics, or conspiracy theories is to ask for rebuttal. Running to Chris Mac when the rebuttal comes and begging him to make those mean people go away is to ask for ridicule.
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nature
climber
Whereverland....
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I disagree, Ghost.
You are gone!
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Fully focused and calling you out. Your conspiracies are not original and different versions of them have been around for decades. Whats interesting is that you seem unwilling, or capable, of understanding this.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Did Ghost post something? I don't see his posts.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 9, 2010 - 09:58pm PT
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Fully focused and calling you out. Your conspiracies are not original and different versions of them have been around for decades. Whats interesting is that you seem unwilling, or capable, of understanding this.
Port,
No you are not focused. You just cut and pasted a huge list of Conspiracies for the purpose of ridicule.
Are you saying conspiracies don't occur? Gee, I guess the FBI, NSA, and CIA and all other law enforcement agencies should just call it a day and go home. There are no conspiracies. No crimes done by those who collude. You might want to call them up and let them know. They are wasting their time and our taxpayer monies.
The above list I posted is beyond dispute. These historical atrocities and events did happen, and our government was directly involved in each one of them.
No, the massive ship on the backside of the Moon was revealed in April of 2007.
SAG = Chem-trails is also a fairly new phenom, since the mid 1990s.
You have called no one out. You're just wrong.
Ghost,
ST posters who personally attack another, and post things that shouldn't be posted like contact information, and where those ST posters work etc. should be removed from ST.
All of that kind of behavior is inappropriate and unethical.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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All of that kind of behavior is inappropriate and unethical
Well, you know Chris Mac's email address. Send him a message and tell him that you want Granite Climber banned from the forum.
If you're right, if the way s/he's responded to your posts is too horrific to be allowed on Supertopo, then s/he will be gone by tomorrow morning.
On the other hand, if the owner of this site chooses not to ban him/her, then presumably that kind of behavior is acceptable here, and you're going to have to make one of the following choices:
1. Stay here on ST, but stop posting the kind of stuff that generates the responses you don't like. Post about climbing. Or trail running. Or photography. Or mountain biking. Or any one of a thousand topics besides religion, politics, and conspiracy theories.
2. Stay here on ST, and continue to post about religion and conspiracy, but accept the fact that some people will call you a kook (with varying degrees of politeness).
3. Go somewhere else.
But whatever you do, stop whining about how people are mean to you. If you're right, if they're overstepping the (unwritten) bounds of this site, then a simple email to Mr. McNamara will set things right.
So send the email.
(Speaking for myself, I'm more than happy to have you here. If you want to post stuff about aliens, and bible codes, and god and jesus and arks on the moon, that's fine with me. It's not my thing, but so what? All I ask is that if you're going to post material you know is controversial, don't complain about the controversy.)
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 9, 2010 - 10:53pm PT
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Stzzo,
And how about the Aluminum Oxide and Barium powder that they are seeding into the atmosphere? Would that be naturally occurring within contrails of jets also? Could that possibly make chem-trails linger for long periods of time?
They are finding the levels of this way, way beyond natural levels and after SAG events with jets. Read the post I gave you regarding Mt. Shasta. Are you going to dispute these effects and the physical evidence they are finding in the environment after SAG events?
Are you going to dispute the disclosure that has revealed the UK government aerosoled diseases into the atmosphere and subjecting their citizens to this atrocity?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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^^^^^ What David said.
And if CMac boots me for calling klimmer and the other local conspiracy theorists (global warming, Obama, arks on the Moon, men not on the Moon, writing in the sky, little green men, ad nauseam) names - albeit accurate, factual, names - I'll happily go. Things like "crackpot", "nutcase", "fruitcake" and "whackjob", for example.
Your ranting can be entertaining, but frightening, and there's rarely a shred of truth or scientific proof in it.
Edit: Alternatively, develop a hide like Lois, who must be part rhinoceros.
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nature
climber
Whereverland....
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my sushi is a conspiracy.
you've all been had. and it's full of dihydrogen oxide.
I own you.
Klimmer... the longer you go on missing my direct post to you the more I dislike you.
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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There are a lot of other forums that are more appropriate for this stuff Klimmer. Why persist with stuff the majority here isn't really interested in ?
It's the same formula in all of your threads, same characters responding. Even myself as the resident Bigfoot kook is getting kinda put off by the volume.
Nature had some great advice for you, you should read and heed it.
BTW link and summary is fine, cut and pasting whole articles ? Don't bother folks.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 9, 2010 - 11:54pm PT
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Nature,
Say it isn't true. You are not going to like me anymore?
To be honest I just had to go back a few pages and see what the heck you are talking about. Sorry I missed it.
So, now I will try to respond.
sincere advise here, Klimmer. Please acknowledge, m'k?
First:
On this forum quit with the phrase "Wake up". Many here are awake. If you believe that then ask yourself again why you get the reaction you do.
Maybe I should say awaken! doesn't sound so harsh. Hey, if that is the worst I do. Guilty.
I appreciate your efforts. I want people to be inquisitive. But HDDJ makes a good point - at what point do YOU draw the line and say, "whoa, stop, that's just nuts!."? If you want us to view your posts with any credibility we need a gage on that.
OK. Thanks I guess. Hey, I do not buy into everything. There will always be a difference though. I watch and I look. I would rather talk about things that matter in the World than the last football game, or more than that killer over-hanging dyno move from one jug to a feldspar crystal. I love climbing and adventure sports. They are for doing and not so much blah, blah, blahing about. TR are great and so are posted videos to watch.
Second:
less pasting of articles and more links. In particular don't cherry pick.
I end up skimming over quotes from articles because I want to read it from the source so I can then judge how much I trust that particular source.
I always post a link. What are you talking about? Yes, sometimes I do post an article because some people are just to lazy to click on anything and a point needs to be made. We all cherry pick. The difference is which are honest and which aren't. MSM will not come near anything contraversial most of the time. They are Corporate owned. They have an agenda. Most of the truly honest breaking news is happening away from traditional MSM news sources now. Independant journalists and blogs are tearing down MSM. That is a good thing. And yes with many sources, sites can be verified. If we had to relie on ABC, NBC, Faux News, CNN, etc. etc. we wouldn't get anywhere news wise today.
Third:
Less volume all the way around. Be more concise. See if you can pull off what couchmaster just asked you to do.
Volume? I do not name call and post endless ad hominem attacks, or silly pictures to ridicule.
Look.... I do think you are a little nutty. maybe you are not at all. but the way you read on this forum suggests nutty. Some of the conspiracy stuff you post I wonder about as well. I'm not sold on the public 911 story at all. I'm certain that one bullet didn't bounce around a car a number of times eventually killing Kennedy with said bullet only to be found later completely in tact. Some of the people that have been in power in our government are very shady people. Money, Power, Greed == not always the nicest people. And our Government has been shown to be a part of conspiracies.
Gee thanks. I'm glad you are honest and that you say you wonder about these things too.
But think about your approach a little bit. I've learned stuff from posts you've started. Most likely what I learned probably wasn't what you were "teaching".
You stir the pot.
That's the point. The pot needs to be stirred if we are going to work our way out of this mess. You got to know about it before you can act. Personally, I like knowing the truth no matter how bad it hurts. I do not want to be caught off guard. I'm a Christian. Jesus told us to be ready. To watch. To prepare. Not to be caught off gaurd.
Hell, you might be surprised how many people on this forum don't completely disregard the possibilities of Chemtrails and gov't envolvement. I don't doubt it but I do find that I often doubt your sources.
Once again. MSM is not going to talk about any of this. Their greatest tool is to ignore and pretend nothing is wrong. The sources I post to go to other sources. Many of these sources are original sources. MSM ignores this news. Too contraversial. So you will only hear about much of this stuff through alternative sources. The best you can do is check it out and cross compare and do the homework.
Real question for you: when was the last magnetic shift of the Earth (compass points south).
I know of two dates. The first is what I, as a scientist, know to be valid. The second is what a different type of individuals has come up with.
Yes, I'm an Earth Scientist. To be honest I do not know the last estimated magnetic reversal for Earth's magnetic field. My guess without looking, although I do recall a NOVA or Discovery DVD on this that I have that I haven't watched in a long while. I'm guessing within the last 100,000 years or less. How about that for a fudge factor?
Now I'm going to go look.
Ok, I missed by a long shot.
Our planet's magnetic field reverses about once every 200,000 years on average. However, the time between reversals is highly variable. The last time Earth's magnetic field flipped was 780,000 years ago, according to the geologic record of Earth's polarity.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0927_040927_field_flip.html
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Oct 10, 2010 - 12:22am PT
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or silly pictures to ridicule
Er,um, how about all those ostrich head in sand pics you post, Klimmer?
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nature
climber
Whereverland....
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Oct 10, 2010 - 12:38am PT
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That you had to look is a good sign.
I guess that means you're not one of the 2012 end of the everything freaks? 768k ypb is the answer that seems most real. the 2012 freaks have it at 36K ypb as proof (exactly zero evidence) the world will end in two years.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2010 - 02:06am PT
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Nature,
I'm not a 2012 freak, but I have been called a Jesus freak, although that is very 70s.
This is one thing I'm pretty sure about. 2012 AD will not be the end of the World. Jesus said, "But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." Matthew 24:36. http://bible.cc/matthew/24-36.htm
There he was speaking about his return only, and not the end of the World. So how can I say that or for that matter any follower of Christ? He has to return before the end of the World. Also when he returns is the beginning of the 1000 years of Peace, The New Millenium. Then the end comes, the last judgement, the final end, and then all things are made new.
Because certain things have to take place before Jesus returns, and before the end of the World. Certain Prophecy must be fulfilled first for that to occur.
Matt 5:18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."
Someone to refer to that knows Bible prophecy very well, and a man truly close to GOD, and who leads a life by example is Tim McHyde. He knows Last Days Bible Prophecy (Eschatology) very well. Perhaps he is the one out there who is really getting a true sense of the time line and the sequence of key events to take place, and he shares this knowledge gladly.
http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/about.htm
Something might happen in 2012 as a result of man doing it, or something else to bring about fear. But rest assured it will not be the end of the World.
There is a peace and stillness in the heart for all believers regarding the future. Even though I know it will get worse, much worse before it gets better. It will get better one day. Sometimes though, I do wish we could just fast-forward past the bad stuff, and get to the 1000 years of Peace.
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Papillon Rendre
climber
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Oct 10, 2010 - 05:23am PT
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Chemtrails- to each their own.
The thousand years of peace will begin when we humans are not around.
In the process, we will destroy what gives us life; Mother Earth.
Let's focus on what we do everyday, contributing towards its deterioration.
That's my reality.
-PR
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